Comments Thread For: Richard Schaefer is "Getting The Itch" To Come Back

[Eff Pandas]

see the thing is is that alot of fighters that are under the PBC brand are currently unpromoted,all the top guys like porter,garcia,thuryman,khan(i think), spence,broner and so on are not promoted by anyone,so if schaefer could get all these guys to join mayweather promotions it might make sense to become the president then,but otherwise if these guys want to remain unpromoted then theres no incentive for him to do so,and hes better off taking a PBC related role. but really its up to haymon,if haymon suggest to these young fighters to join M. promotions,they will do so

I suspect those fighters stay unpromoted. They don't need a long term agreement with anyone. He could do as you say, but I see more advantage with keeping them free & clear of long term deals right now.

as far as i know, PBC/haymon pretty munch only use dibella promotions as a "front" incase people start asking questions why he looks so much like a promoter rather then a manager.

False. Haymon has several main promoters that basically cover North America. TGB is actually the promotional group that has done the most shows & many of the bigger or notable shows (Thurman vs Guerrero, Porter vs Broner, Santa Cruz vs Mares)

TGB - West Coast primarily/Vegas
Mayweather - Vegas
GYM- Canada
Leija Bettah - Texas
DiBella - NY/New England region
Warriors - Florida/Midwest

He also has some sort of agreement with Eddie Hearn in the UK.

DiBella is just the best talker up til Floyd starts getting more involved is my assumption.

[The Problem Child]

He will end up in the depths of hell after what he did to Oscar. If there is a God, this situation will resemble the one he had against Lucifer (right hand of God, wanted to be as powerful as him, tried to steal souls to his team, got exiled and now competes against his creator-Oscar). I doubt God has any pity or mercy on him, he will get denied at the gates of heaven. Watch.

[Eff Pandas]

ok well that makes sense,i thought that haymon would eventually want all of his major talent under one tree and one promotional outlet (mwyeather promotions) to keep all the mony in-house sorta since he and floyd are close. and then when he gets all the top guys, all the young up and comers see that all of the "money makers" in boxing are all under one promoter and that makes them want to join that same promoter too

If Haymon has them under his own umbrella (manager/adviser-wise) its the same difference, yet allows more freedom to move around among promoters who he probably has varying degrees of trust towards thus could burn the fighters via inactivity like Mikey Garcia, Andre Ward, Chavez Jr arguably got burned by their promoters.

For the most part the most talented, promising & biggest upside guys who are signed with promoters & who were unaffiliated with Haymon prior to this year are signing manager/adviser deals with Haymon. And obviously started with a nice base coming into this year.

[lopetego]

Obviously under Haymons skirt

[QballLobo]

I would love to see Shaefer work with Mayweather. That would implode spectacularly within 2 years no doubt.
Will be interesting to see what impact he will have though. He was successful with GBP but he had Oscar De La Hoya's name to work with. People forget but Oscar was one of the biggest crossover (no pun intended) stars in the sport and everyone wanted to be associated with him. He wouldn't have that advantage with Mayweather as he isn't as marketable and not many people want to be in business with him due to his past. On the other hand Shaefer has more experience and I am sure his own relationships built himself.

[Teetotaler]

Imagine the UFC without Dana White. Thats what the PBC is right now without a front man of some sort. What title or capacity that person actually takes idk tbqh, but their needs to be someone high up with this PBC entity who's not a hermit & can speak on PBC **** imo.

Maybe I'm wrong or maybe thats something thats way down the line when/if there is a PBC belt or w/e, but I think its something thats needed & would be welcomed by boxing media & fans alike just so PBC's moves don't seem as under the cover of darkness or random like they often do now.

I wanna hear a guy whos with PBC & who says Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter will be happening when weird media rumors pop off for days about a fight like that. Like when Khan said Manny was fighting him or w/e & Bob came out & shut that **** down the next day. PBC needs that. Maybe they just need to teach Haymon how to use twitter idk, but I think they want a president, CEO, head mfer of public discourse or something of PBC. If thats Schaefer or not idk, but its clearly a job no one is doing & seems a worthwhile propaganda arm for PBC if nothing else.

i don't know. Your making it seem so important but for a guy (al haymon) who's had everything figured out ahead of time, its hard to see him leaving out such an important figure for the PBC. Again don't they have several promoters for their different events? The promoters are usually the front man for the fight to hype it up and sell it to the public. Even then after the fight all the fighters say "id like to thank al haymon". Unless they stop saying that people are gonna actually want to know and see who Haymon is.

[aboutfkntime]

I honestly didn't think about that, HBO have the 10 best P4P fighters apart from Rigo and Rigo is fighting on the Cotto-Canelo undercard.

That is mad, I think Haymon is doing interesting things but odd how he hasn't managed to (since Floyd retired) nick one of those fighters.

Who are they gonna fight ?

[ramplamp]

Look, Richard Schaefer is undoubtedly the scum of the earth and a total backstabber. But if there's one thing he is good at, it's promotion and (as far as I can tell) matchmaking. The fights under Haymon were a hundred times better when Schaefer was there, and he did an admirable job at the podium in promoting, whereas now they have nobody.

Do I like the fact that he will just be more one more guy insisting that they never work with any other promoters? Hell no. But if Haymon is going to be insular and not work with anyone else anyways, at least this may improve the quality of the PBC. Right now the PBC is utter ****, and you know it.

[bigdunny1]

If you think Oscar built Golden Boy Promotions you really don't know what's going on. I don't expect boxing fans to know the business of boxing but I expect them to be quiet if they don't know. To get you up on speed read this article by Hauser. It was written years ago.

http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/richard-schaefer-and-the-golden-boy-empire

Oscar came to Richard and asked him to help start a business. GBP was Schaefer's idea. HBO Latino boxing was Schaefer's idea. Getting AEG to invest into GBP and then turning around and buying a portion of the Houston Dynamos, a team AEG owned. The Barclay's deal. The HBO output deal. He's been a part of 4 of the top 10 highest selling boxing PPV's. It's so much more that I'm not going to get into right now. But if you think Schaefer ain't a good business man and great promoter you're crazy. He came from a banking background and built GBP from nothing to the #1 promoter in less than 10 years.

Never said he wasn't a good business man I said he would of never been in boxing in the first place if not for Oscar and Oscar didn't need Schaefer to run his company he could of gotten anyone and Oscar's name and brand at the time is why they scooped up high end talent and had big exposure on HBO. The early success of Golden Boy was because of Oscar's influence and popularity in the sport at the time. Did Hopkins, Mosley, Barerra, ect sign because of Schaefer or because of Oscar? And the huge exposure Golden Boy fighters got on HBO was that because of Schaefer or because Oscar who was the biggest thing in boxing? HBO loved Oscar and gave his company all the dates he wanted to keep Oscar happy and keep him on HBO. The influx of latino fighters and LA fighters that signed up was that because of Schaefer or Oscar? Those guys signed because they were fans of Oscar growing up. The reason Golden Boy had so many advantages early on was because of Oscar. Schaefer made some great business moves in the latter years. Give him credit for the last few years and deals he brokered all you want. But early on the talent and HBO deal was because of Oscar not Schaefer. Even today Canelo signed with Golden Boy because of Oscar it had nothing to do with Schaefer and it's why he never got his hooks into him or got him to sign with Haymon. To act like Oscar's name and brand meant nothing to the success of Golden Boy is just ignorant. You don't get high end boxing talent signing up to a newbie Promotion Company because of a successful swiss banker. You get that talent from a living icon and the biggest cash cow in the sport endorsing it.

[aboutfkntime]

If he comes back to boxing, it's Okay, I guess. But, whoever he is working with needs to watch their back, or else.

I would bet my life the writing was on the wall for Hoya.

Hoya let his drug habit affect his company, he may not have noticed.

Schaeffer shouldn't be required to accept that.

When Hoya made a reconciliation with Arum his number one priority, simply because he needed to knock Arum's name off his 12-step list..... Richard should have walked then..... because that was a massive step backwards considering their momentum in the 12-18 months prior.

They should have got in bed with PBC and finished Top Rank off for good.