Comments Thread For: Richard Schaefer is "Getting The Itch" To Come Back

[Eff Pandas]

Exactly. There was a time when Schaefer had some serious value to Haymon but that has dramatically reduced now that Haymon is perfectly able to do well without any connections to Schaefer.

There is always room for smart mfers. And Schaefer is a smart mfer.

judging by the TV ratings you are nuts if you think ESPN or any major network will pay a dime for PBC

I'd take that bet. ESPN & other networks pay for **** with lower rankings already.

According to BoxRec(varying amounts of credit given to their ratings here, so whatever), Haymon has relationships with 30 of BoxRec's top 100 fighters, today.

The mark PBC has made is impressive in their first 8 months is unheard of.

A list of all the 24 current title holders (there are currently 70 boxers holding some form of a major title) who've fought on a PBC card or are currently signed to a adviser/manager deal with Haymon to show the extend of PBC's grasp already.

200+ - Deontay Wilder (WBC)
200 - Krzystof Glowaki (WBO)
175 - Adonis Stevenson (WBC)
168 - Badou Jack (WBC), James DeGale (IBF)
160 - Daniel Jacobs (WBA), Andy Lee (WBO)
154 - Erislandy Lara (WBA), Jermall Charlo (IBF)
147 - Keith Thurman (WBA)
140 - Viktor Postol (WBC), Adrien Broner (WBA)
135 - none
130 - Javier Fortuna (WBA), Jose Pedraza (IBF)
126 - Gary Russell (WBC), Leo Santa Cruz (WBA), Jesus Cuellar (WBA), Lee Selby (IBF)
122 - Julio Ceja (WBC), Carl Frampton (IBF)
118 - Juan Payano (WBA), Jamie McDonnell (WBA)
115 - Kohei Kono (WBA), McJoe Arroyo (IBF)
112 - none
108 - none
105 - none

+ I counted about 25 guys who are currently non-title holders, but ranked within the top 3 of an alphabet group who have fought on a PBC card or are Haymon signed fighters. The impact PBC has is only likely to grow.

-I don't think PBC ever ends up going with creating it's own belts (boxing is a sport with so much of a long-standing and entrenched history that I don't see the boxing audience ever accepting that, as of 2015, "the PBC belt is the top championship");

I strongly disagree with this. I believe someone has already posted patent or trademark information for a PBC title belt that has been submitted by PBC. Whatever the case with that it just seems to me the eventual goal of PBC would led to a PBC champion.

One of the problems with boxing now is no one knows who the best guys really are. If you want boxing to be mainstream you need to find that best guy & label him the best guy with a title, there can't just be a consensus or debate on who that best guy is. Even college football has a system to find the best team each year these days. I think its about time boxing does the same.

Granted I don't see a PBC title popping up any day now or anything like that, but I don't see how its not a goal its just a matter of if its 2yrs, 5yrs or 10yrs down the line.

[Eff Pandas]

Plus his Swiss accent is awesome~

LOL I don't think so. I hated hearing Schaefer talk for probably the first 5 years & the way he moved his mouth still makes me feel like he was in some bad accident that f#cked up how he moves his lips when talking.

Ken Hershman did step down as boss of HBO boxing. Maybe that's where Schaefer is headed?

That would be SUPER interesting if he was even in the running, but I don't see it.

No chance HBO hires Schaefer.

Idk if I'd say no chance, but virtually no chance without question. Like a dozen mfers would need to be in a plane crash or something for Schaefer to get on the list or in the running. HBO seems pretty consistent as I recall in hiring from the inside for jobs this big. I tend to think there is a 95%+ chance the guy who's taking Herschman's spot already has an office at HBO. From everything I've heard since this went down it seems like Peter Nelson is the guy & has been groomed for it for the last couple years.

Haymon has near all of the sport's top prospects/contenders/future stars under his umbrella.

I wouldn't say he has near all the top prospects/contenders/future stars. He has an extremely impressive roster of them & the biggest talent pool in the game today easily doe. The field of prospects he has are being severely underrated I know that for sure. He's just signed two of the top US amateurs in the last 6 months pre-Olympics (one even gave up his spot in the US Olympic trials next month to fight under the PBC banner now), but no one pays attention to that or know who top amateurs are anymore lol so no one notices or cares. I believe this is a sign of things to come post-Olympics & have been saying similar things for months cuz it seems a clear & obvious move to make.

Come Christmas 2016, Pacquiao will be gone, Cotto would likely be gone as well, Kovalev/Ward/Golovkin would've had their shakeout (I think Ward clears the field), a 40-year old Wladimir Klitschko would've likely have had to face down Tyson Fury, Wilder/Povetkin winner, and possibly Anthony Joshua, Gonzalez-Estrada II would've happened, "Bud" Crawford would have to be ready for the Postol-Imam winner(i think Imam beats Postol), and (WBO belt, aside) Timothy Bradley Jr and "Canelo" Alvarez would've spent another year, toiling on the lesser side of the fence for fights at 147/154 [6 of the 8 belts at those weights seem to be comfortably within the Haymon universe at the moment].

Andre Ward will likely stand as the sport's best fighter [HBO only locking Ward up long enough to fight Sergey Kovalev, to me, is a Jay-Z&J-Prince/Haymon/Espinoza sitdown away from being a major mistake], and Roman Gonzalez will likely also be high on that list; under that, Thurman/Porter/Garcia/Brook/Khan/Spence/etc will all be battling for recognition, Degale/Jack/Abraham/Chudinov/Murray/ChavezJr will be battling likewise, the young lions at 154 (Andrade/Charlo/Charlo/JRock/Trout/etc) will be battling, the UK will play home to the Frampton/Quigg/McDonnell battle at 122, Selby/LSC/RusselJr/Cuellar will likely mix things up at 126, and a host of top prospects from those 2012 Olympics (Spence Jr, Luke Campbell, etc) will dare to be great.

Nice breakdown of HBO's & PBC's divisional situations. I tend to see the same outlook with most of the stuff you're saying.

Come 2017 (by the sheer volume of talent that Haymon is coming to the table with), HBO dominating the p4p list is unlikely to still be the case.

I think 2017 is a lil early & HBO's hold on the P4P list is so strong that might be a optimistic take on "sheer volume of talent" reasons. I think one of HBO's biggest problems these days are budget ones. Their budget has dropped over the last few decades. HBO's interest in boxing has gradually & consistently lowered. Keeping all these P4P guys happy with $30M-$35M/year is gonna be quite a task (good luck to whoever takes over for Herchman you got your work cut out for you) without having PPV's every other month. I think that reality will open the door to PBC making some acquisitions of HBO P4P talent & that will be the more impactful move by 2017.

I think the volume of talent stuff doesn't fully come into play til the class of 2016 ripens 2 or 3 years later & some of the guys who are 15-0, 20-0 right now have those key next 5-10 fights over the next couple years that drive them up the rankings & into the elite of their divisions & possible inclusion on P4P lists.

[aboutfkntime]

**** Chaffer missed the boat. Fraud Pedcheater Jr got exposed as a cheater and his ridiculous shell corporation "promotional" outfit is as about as important to Boxing as his ridiculous "Philthy Rich Records" label is to music. PBC already did whatever they think theyre doing without you, ****. Oscar will never re-hire you. Beat it, Turd.

When you get older, will your parents let you sit in the big chair while you play on the internet?

[bigdunny1]

Of course HBO welcomed GBP back. Think how easy it is for them to outsmart Oscar and Bernard and believe me they know it. They are all educated and have been in the boxing business for many years. Oscar was an easy target. Oscar was always the face and name of GBP. Yes, he was the bait that made fighters want to sign BUT Richard closed the deals. Richard negotiated contracts that benefited the fighter BUT protected Oscar and GBP. I disagree with your statement when you said that anyone could have done what Schaefer did. Bob Arum and Don King have been in the business several years and in ALL those years they DID NOT do what Schaefer did at GBP. HBO split with GBP because it was a bidding war on a per fight basis. Schaefer was smart and leveraged Floyd's star power to get the dates he wanted from HBO for other fighters. When HBO refused to help put on other fighters Schaefer moved Floyd to Showtime where he could help get other fighters exposure. HBO was pissed they lost their star and they shut GBP out. Oscar is just the face that's it. Richard was always the brain. He was the one who was the driving force. He was the one who is in the office everyday negotiating and analyzing different strategies for more exposure and sponsorshhip. Everyone thinks Oscar was stabbed in the back but Schaefer told was upfront about everything. Who is to say that Oscar did not go back to Schaefer and have him try to revive the deal to sell GBP a couple of times? NEVER in boxing history has a promotion company been valued at 100million. Arum and King never did that.

Schaefer helped and had a more prominent role in the latter years but these fools who want to rewrite history and say Oscar had no part of the success of Golden Boy or that it was all Schaefer is beyond idiotic and more important false. The talent that Golden Boy accumulated especially early on had NOTHING to do with Schaefer. P4P fighters and established superstars signed with Golden Boy back when nobody knew or gave a phuk who Schaefer was. They signed because of Oscar's name and influence. That's just a fact. The influx of young up an coming especially latino fighters signed was because of Oscar and them being fans growing up of Oscar. Back in the day HBO just gave Golden Boy promotions a boat load of premiere air time and fight dates for his fighters just to keep Oscar on HBO and happy that had NOTHING to do with Schaefer. Hopkins, Mosley, Barrera, ect were all established superstars and none are signing if the promotional company is called Schaefer Promotions. They signed because it was Golden Boy promotions and had Oscar on the logo. I have no doubt that Oscar could of put ANYONE in place at that time and Golden Boy would of been a success. You could of had boo boo the fool running Golden Boy. He was the biggest superstar and cash cow in boxing. At that time EVERYTHING he touched was successful and turned to gold. For christ sake the fool put out a god damn album and EVERYONE in the world knows he can't sing and still the album was a success and was nominated for a grammy.

Because of the high end talent which gave Golden Boy instant credibility and the backing of HBO it was going to be a success with or without Schaefer. That's the difference between Golden Boy and many defunct Promotional companies like 50 Cent they either don't have the star fighters or don't have the platform to air fights. You had those advantages to give you a head start on all the other promoters not because of Schaefer but because of Oscar. Now Schaefer added to it and was a smart business man but he knew nothing about boxing or promoting and was brought to the lunch table because of Oscar. Give him credit he learned on the job and took it to heights after Oscar was long done fighting and made some great moves based on his business skills and not on Oscars name especially in the latter years but he also screwed over the company with shady backstabbing deals and got himself booted. This praise for that 2 faced rat like he is solely responsible for Golden Boy Promotions is a joke. Oscar with another business man running the day to day operations still a success. Schaefer without Oscar trying to get into boxing for the first time would of folded in less then a year no matter how great a business man he was. No fighters would of came to him and HBO wouldn't care about him.

[ogbox]

Funny how everyone turned on Richard because of the fake Golden Boy. Y'all worship Oscar a 2 time Rapist(paid one of the girls millions)/ Drug addict but hate Richard because of his association with Floyd. Y'all heard what Bhop said about Richard.

Brilliant and agreed.

[ogbox]

Schaefer's next gig will be working with Mayweather or working with Haymon. Why would HBO hire him? They had a great year and have 9 of the 10 top 10 P4P fighters all locked up and now the only fighter they don't have signed Rigo is fighting on HBO this weekend and more then likely Roc Nation that has a relationship with HBO will get him a deal with HBO next. Remember why HBO cut ties with Schaefer and Haymon in the first place. People keep saying it was just Haymon but it was Golden Boy too because of Schaefer. Once Schaefer was forced out and Oscar was in control HBO welcomed Golden Boy back. So it makes no sense to put that snake who was one of the main guys responsible for the rift in charge.

Why would Roc Nation hire Schaefer when Haymon has beef with Jay-Z and refuses to work with him? No shot Schaefer out of loyalty to Haymon goes to Roc Nation. Haymon has fighters vacating belts and turning down career paydays just to avoid allowing them to fight on a Roc Nation card.

Golden Boy's early success had nothing to do with Schaefer. It was Oscar's name and power in the sport at the time that made them a success overnight. The early superstar fighters signed because of Oscar the early HBO tv deals were because of HBO wanting to keep Oscar so they gave his company a huge platform early on for his fighters. The huge influx of latino fighters that signed to Golden Boy INCLUDING Canelo signed because they were fans of Oscar. You want to give Schaefer credit for the last few years and TV deals and working with Haymon ok. But the early years and how Golden Boy overnight was so successful was because of Oscar's name and involvement. You could of literally had anyone running the company at that time and it was going to be a hit. Fighters like Hopkins, Mosley, Morales, ect all signed because of Oscar not Schaefer.

Of course HBO welcomed GBP back. Think how easy it is for them to outsmart Oscar and Bernard and believe me they know it. They are all educated and have been in the boxing business for many years. Oscar was an easy target. Oscar was always the face and name of GBP. Yes, he was the bait that made fighters want to sign BUT Richard closed the deals. Richard negotiated contracts that benefited the fighter BUT protected Oscar and GBP. I disagree with your statement when you said that anyone could have done what Schaefer did. Bob Arum and Don King have been in the business several years and in ALL those years they DID NOT do what Schaefer did at GBP. HBO split with GBP because it was a bidding war on a per fight basis. Schaefer was smart and leveraged Floyd's star power to get the dates he wanted from HBO for other fighters. When HBO refused to help put on other fighters Schaefer moved Floyd to Showtime where he could help get other fighters exposure. HBO was pissed they lost their star and they shut GBP out. Oscar is just the face that's it. Richard was always the brain. He was the one who was the driving force. He was the one who is in the office everyday negotiating and analyzing different strategies for more exposure and sponsorshhip. Everyone thinks Oscar was stabbed in the back but Schaefer told was upfront about everything. Who is to say that Oscar did not go back to Schaefer and have him try to revive the deal to sell GBP a couple of times? NEVER in boxing history has a promotion company been valued at 100million. Arum and King never did that.

[PhillyBox11]

Lol, please stay retired!

[Lou Cipher]

**** Chaffer missed the boat. Fraud Pedcheater Jr got exposed as a cheater and his ridiculous shell corporation "promotional" outfit is as about as important to Boxing as his ridiculous "Philthy Rich Records" label is to music. PBC already did whatever they think theyre doing without you, ****. Oscar will never re-hire you. Beat it, Turd.

[Scipio2009]

I would love to see Shaefer work with Mayweather. That would implode spectacularly within 2 years no doubt.
Will be interesting to see what impact he will have though. He was successful with GBP but he had Oscar De La Hoya's name to work with. People forget but Oscar was one of the biggest crossover (no pun intended) stars in the sport and everyone wanted to be associated with him. He wouldn't have that advantage with Mayweather as he isn't as marketable and not many people want to be in business with him due to his past. On the other hand Shaefer has more experience and I am sure his own relationships built himself.

I think you're underestimating the scope of people willing/unwilling to do business with Mayweather. Is Floyd ever going to be selling Coca Cola or McDonalds? Probably not.

Still, MGM Resorts has done business with the man for years, Stephen Espinoza is happy to do business with him, CBS CEO Les Moonves has seen his company's bet on Mayweather pay off in a major way, and, outside of the aborted Reebok deal, anyone who has sat to do business with Mayweather has generally walked away happy to have done business with Mayweather.

As a crossover star, Mayweather has arguably eclipsed what Oscar was able to accomplish (people seem to always discount how much Oscar's substance abuse and personal antics have dissuaded companies from doing business with him also). Outside of Latin/Latin American communities, I'd even go as far as arguing that Mayweather's name trumps Oscar's name in front of every demographic audience (how Floyd's jail time for domestic violence plays against Oscar's substance abuse/lifestyle choices among the casual 30-60 y/o Americana audience is beyond me).

The key hang-up, though, with laying the laurels of a company on Mayweather is that, if Floyd sticks to his word, Schaefer won't have the lure of arguing "do business with me and you can have the opportunity to be a part of a Mayweather fight".

[Scipio2009]

If PBC becomes it's own league with it's own belts then sure but we are a long way away from that. And judging by the TV ratings you are nuts if you think ESPN or any major network will pay a dime for PBC when it's a money sucking product that doesn't make a profit. The TV Ratings started out mediocre and have fallen off a cliff since. They are terrible across the board on all of the networks PBC is on. The networks are only involved right now because PBC investors are PAYING them so they aren't losing money PBC is. But with weak tv ratings to the point that PBC has lost so much money the first half of the year alone why do you think all the top fighters that did fight for PBC are now fighting on Showtime and PBC shows to end the year feature lesser type fighters then the ones in the first half? It's because they are losing money and figure well if we not getting ratings then we at least need to try and slash the money we are overspending for these cards. That's why you seeing lower purses for fights, less advertisement for fights and the bigger named Haymon fighters are back fighting on Showtime where they pay the fighter purses not PBC investors. They are literally losing millions each show and have no real revenue coming in from advertisers because the tv ratings aren't there. So why would any network pay for PBC when it's not a strong brand and so far it's losing ratings and fans not gaining them?

So hiring Schaefer to be the Commissioner of the PBC when we don't even know if this will be around this time 2 years from now for "phase 2" is pretty foolish.

-I don't think PBC ever ends up going with creating it's own belts (boxing is a sport with so much of a long-standing and entrenched history that I don't see the boxing audience ever accepting that, as of 2015, "the PBC belt is the top championship"); establishing a PBC belt for unified champions (ie Klitschko-Wilder winner, Stevenson-Kovalev winner, Brook/Thurman/Khan/Garcia/Porter winner, Degale/Jack/Abraham/Chudinov winner, LSC/RussellJr/Selby/Cuellar winner, Frampton/Quigg/Ruiz-Ceja winner, etc), in lieu of bothering with Ring Magazine, would actually make sense.

-We still need to see what things look like in 2016, but PBC's viewership numbers seem to have proven an idea that was accepted as fact beforehand; in the US, nothing competes for viewership eyeballs against college football/NFL.

From January through the end of August, the calendar is wide open for PBC programming; from September through New Year's Day, the competition for eyeballs is fierce enough that show placements needs to be far more selective (moving shows to Showtime and working through the Power 5 schedules, looking for "dead weekends" to fill with shows, makes sense).


Honestly not willing to disprove your whole "PBC is doing so terrible that everyone is jumping from the PBC ship" rhetoric, so have a nice day.