So when you say the belts dont matter

[Real King Kong]

Lineal title matters

Ring belt matters

[Weltschmerz]

Uhm can't we just say it as it is - nobody wants to fight GGG.

[buddyguns]

Like it not, Martinez avoided ggg to face cotto. Looks like ggg beat Martinez without even having to punch him. Looks like hes gonna do the same to cotto.

Will that go on his official fight record for all to see 100 years from now?

[buddyguns]

It wasnt personal, cotto wanted to make history by doing guess what?

Winning a belt in a 4th division. He cares about the belts, hes just afraid of the beating he will take.

If you can look at his resume and tell us that he's afraid of a beating with a straight face, I'd be surprised. It seems more likely that he didn't want to take a beating for peanuts. And like it or not, GGG's recent PPV numbers speak volumes about how he's viewed as a fighter. Casual fans are at least smart enough to tell when they're being sold a hype train in undermatched fights.

[Zaroku]

That means you are going to stop talking about how many champions so and so beat and how many divisions he was a champion in, right?

Miguel Cotto is no 4 division champion, right?

Can't argue with that logic. Or say I won belts that don't matter in 4 divisions. Ultimately I had a really cool belt made that says, in this house I am king.

[Eff Pandas]

That means you are going to stop talking about how many champions so and so beat and how many divisions he was a champion in, right?

I think people say a lot of things that they don't actually think about before they say. The true statement is belts mean less than they ever have & belts largely mean lil to nothing to brand name boxers.

So sure how many belts you won or how many champions you've beaten is a useful stat to quote cuz its about the only thing you can quote these days that suggests a certain high level of quality (like if you're talking about MMA fighters & one is 15-5 & all his fights are in the UFC & the other is 18-2 & he's 0-2 in the UFC, the guy with the worse record but more success in the UFC is more telling about the quality of opposition & would suggest he's likely the superior fighter, boxing has nothing like that except titles, title fights & champions faced) because its one of the only ways to **** measure boxers against each other, but the value of being a champion has never been lower all the same.