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I hostly dont think ive seen a better boxer than lomochenko

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  • #51
    Salido would beat him again...Lomachenko can't evade body shots and can't punch...he is overrated as all hell, look at what Mikey did to Salido....even Rocky Martinez beat Salido ffs(Salido had a bad night against Rocky, but also against Loma, he can fight better)....Salido has been better in rematches throughout his career.

    Loma is Gamboa with better reach, a bit more brains but feather fisted. Unless he develops a running clinching game, he will get beat by guys who know how to fight and get to his immobile body.
    Last edited by -Hyperion-; 11-08-2015, 07:12 PM.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by -Hyperion- View Post
      Salido would beat him again...Lomachenko can't evade body shots and can't punch...he is overrated as all hell, look at what Mikey did to Salido....even Rocky Martinez beat Salido ffs(Salido had a bad night against Gonzalez, but also against Loma, he can fight better)....Salido has been better in rematches throughout his career.
      He shouldn't have even won the first fight to begin with.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by -Hyperion- View Post
        Salido would beat him again...Lomachenko can't evade body shots and can't punch...he is overrated as all hell, look at what Mikey did to Salido....even Rocky Martinez beat Salido ffs(Salido had a bad night against Gonzalez, but also against Loma, he can fight better)....Salido has been better in rematches throughout his career.

        Loma is Gamboa with better reach, a bit more brains but feather fisted. Unless he develops a running clinching game, he will get beat by guys who know how to fight and get to his immobile body.
        Salido should be the champ...twice he got screwed...

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        • #54
          Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
          I like to see him show some malice

          He doesn't seem to be very mean
          That's what goes against him. That's why he struggled with a dirty vet in Salido at times.

          Also, I want to see how he deals with reach. I would pick Gamboa to beat him though, at least, Gamboa awhile back. Now, who knows..

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          • #55
            He's kind of boring IMO. Just mostly plays patty cake with his punches.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by SCEN3RY View Post
              I think some that not loading up is for defense but also to preserve his hands. He loads up to the body more than the head because it's a softer target. I think he would load up more against better opposition because he would feel like he woud have to or need to, to make a statement.
              I see some sting in his right hook specifically. He does this curious thing where he throws with his arm but halfway through the trajectory aligns the rest of himself with the hook..good for speed sure but not so much power...but still it does have pop. I see someone with his pedigree having a massive right hook ..massive. he just needs to commit fully to it instead of committing to it halfway through.

              Originally posted by -Hyperion- View Post
              Salido would beat him again...Lomachenko can't evade body shots and can't punch...he is overrated as all hell, look at what Mikey did to Salido....even Rocky Martinez beat Salido ffs(Salido had a bad night against Rocky, but also against Loma, he can fight better)....Salido has been better in rematches throughout his career.

              Loma is Gamboa with better reach, a bit more brains but feather fisted. Unless he develops a running clinching game, he will get beat by guys who know how to fight and get to his immobile body.
              I don't see the Gamboa comparison. Both athletic but Loma depends upon technique whereas Yuriorkis was more about athleticism. Loma is a very well balanced fighter, he just needs to learn to commit to his punches more. Too mindful of what he is going to throw next instead of throwing with true authority. He will learn in the pro ranks to go for kos. Chalk up the Salido loss to inexperience. Good to get that 0 out the way anyway. 0's ruin fighters imo.


              I have high expectations for Loma

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              • #57
                Originally posted by LomaUsykKlichko View Post
                Loma truly is one in a generation talent like Floyd was, his footwork is amazing, his defense is on point, his combinations are amazing, the only thing I would like from him if he could start sitting down on his punches also that last body shot was almost exactly the same as GGG vs Macklin
                Woah, take it down a notch there. The best guy he's fought was Salido, and he lost to him. I can't even remember the last time Floyd struggled with a Salido-level guy (if ever) , and he certainly never lost to one.

                Never ceases to amaze me how guys compare new fighters running over lousy competition to top guys facing p4p fighters. Everyone looks brilliant against scrubs. Sure, get excited about Loma, he's definitely earned that, but don't start comparing him to Floyd when his biggest fight was a loss to a mediocre, far past prime fighter.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by SCEN3RY View Post
                  I think some that not loading up is for defense but also to preserve his hands. He loads up to the body more than the head because it's a softer target. I think he would load up more against better opposition because he would feel like he woud have to or need to, to make a statement.
                  This.

                  All those that are saying he has no pop, I think you are wrong. He does not have heavy hands, but I do not think that any boxer that fights anything like him does. He has too much movement to sit on his punches.

                  I am positive that as the competition gets better and stronger he will punch as hard as he needs to, to get the other guys respect.

                  He also doesn't need as much power to KO his opponents. He comes from angles that his opponents don't ever see, you don't need great power to KD someone if the guy never saw a punch.

                  I mean when he wants to he can hit, he had Salido hurt. And you can see that in the few times that he loads up he does have power. He's no Paulie or Calzaghe, he can punch.


                  Just watch....if he fights someone like Walters he will slow down and sit on his punch just enough to make Walters realize he can't "walk through" him.

                  Listen the guy is brilliant, someone will always find something to complain about.

                  I think we need to wait and see.....its too early to tell.

                  But you can tell that at the moment he is still learning the pro game, having fun. What good would it do for him to potentially knock guys out in 4rds? None what so ever. Last night he put on a show, and thats what he has been saying in all of his interviews, that he wants to put on a show and put on a display of his skills and ability.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Redd Foxx View Post
                    Woah, take it down a notch there. The best guy he's fought was Salido, and he lost to him. I can't even remember the last time Floyd struggled with a Salido-level guy (if ever) , and he certainly never lost to one.

                    Never ceases to amaze me how guys compare new fighters running over lousy competition to top guys facing p4p fighters. Everyone looks brilliant against scrubs. Sure, get excited about Loma, he's definitely earned that, but don't start comparing him to Floyd when his biggest fight was a loss to a mediocre, far past prime fighter.
                    I'm not knocking your opinion but you do realize that is an oversimplified, lazy way to put things just to get your point across? There is zero context in your piece here.

                    It's no different than Floyd haters hating on Floyd..."oh he held a lot...oh he ran" etc etc

                    Talking about the Salido fight out of context is useless. Looks like you just looked at boxrec and based your opinion on that.

                    Loma FOUGHT Salido when he didn't even have to because the man was over on the scales. No one would have knocked on Loma if he walked away from that fight because Salido was heavy.

                    Salido was the much bigger man. Salido was fouling Loma on the regular with low blows and that takes a toll on you. Loma having too much of an ego just kept fighting. Any other fighter would take a knee and keep complaining about low blows until the other guy got DQd.

                    And lastly you could have given that fight to Loma and no one would have said a word because Salido didn't do **** in that fight, and Loma actually had him on the verge of a KO.

                    So come again with that Salido fight.

                    Or should I start knocking on Floyd because it's a lot easier and there is way more material to work with. But, no I wont do that.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Banderivets View Post
                      This.

                      All those that are saying he has no pop, I think you are wrong. He does not have heavy hands, but I do not think that any boxer that fights anything like him does. He has too much movement to sit on his punches.

                      I am positive that as the competition gets better and stronger he will punch as hard as he needs to, to get the other guys respect.

                      He also doesn't need as much power to KO his opponents. He comes from angles that his opponents don't ever see, you don't need great power to KD someone if the guy never saw a punch.

                      I mean when he wants to he can hit, he had Salido hurt. And you can see that in the few times that he loads up he does have power. He's no Paulie or Calzaghe, he can punch.


                      Just watch....if he fights someone like Walters he will slow down and sit on his punch just enough to make Walters realize he can't "walk through" him.

                      Listen the guy is brilliant, someone will always find something to complain about.

                      I think we need to wait and see.....its too early to tell.

                      But you can tell that at the moment he is still learning the pro game, having fun. What good would it do for him to potentially knock guys out in 4rds? None what so ever. Last night he put on a show, and thats what he has been saying in all of his interviews, that he wants to put on a show and put on a display of his skills and ability.
                      He can continue to float and be feather fisted, or he can deliver more power and lose the ability to do what he does. I think he'll deliver LESS power against better competition because he'll want to emphasize speed and defense.
                      Nothing wrong with what he's doing but don't go all fanboy and pretend he's got it all. He clearly is Malanagi-level in terms of power, and until he changes his style you can't say he's not. There is no hidden power that's waiting for higher opposition. Lol. You apply power against weaker, slower guys, because it's safer, not the other way around. What he has above Paulie is greater volume, speed, and accuracy.

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