Comments Thread For: Ken Hershman To Step Down As HBO Sports Prez

[bigdunny1]

what great fights are these?

They have names, but those names do not have a lot of options that fans care about. Wlad, Manny, Kov, Lomanchenko, Bradley,-their best fights would be against Haymon guys.

Crawford, should he beat Manny-his best fight would be Garcia or Floyd.

Once Canelo/GGG fight-the best fight for the winner is a Haymon fighter.

Only one who has really good non haymon options is Chocalito-and he is asking for money HBO seems reluctant to pay.

Canelo/Cotto isn't a great fight? Klitchso/Fury? Ortiz/Jennings? Please tell me the fights on PBC to end the year that are better then these? And you are wrong HBO has the best fighters that means the best fight for Haymon fighters is to fight them not the other way around. HBO has the stars who have already proven themselves Haymon's fighters want to get to that level not the other way around. You are seeing with the ratings that PBC fighters facing bums is not translating with fans or increasing their popularity one bit. What star has PBC created?

As for Crawford he has Postol and Matthysee, could also fight Iman, Ruslan all top fighters at 140 all non Haymon fighters. And the biggest fight possible for any active fighter would be Pacman

[The Big Dunn]

Canelo/Cotto isn't a great fight? Klitchso/Fury? Ortiz/Jennings? Please tell me the fights on PBC to end the year that are better then these? And you are wrong HBO has the best fighters that means the best fight for Haymon fighters is to fight them not the other way around. HBO has the stars who have already proven themselves Haymon's fighters want to get to that level not the other way around. You are seeing with the ratings that PBC fighters facing bums is not translating with fans or increasing their popularity one bit. What star has PBC created?

As for Crawford he has Postol and Matthysee, could also fight Iman, Ruslan all top fighters at 140 all non Haymon fighters. And the biggest fight possible for any active fighter would be Pacman

Dude, why are you saying compare them to PBC? Herschman is out, its not about comparing HBO to PBC its evaluating why that decision was made.

You and Deveel916 keep saying "stars". Herschman didn't create any of these stars-his predecessor did. The ones Herschman created-GGG just flopped( not that the PPV is the reason he is leaving) Kov-his best fight is Stevenson despite Herschman moving him toward Ward.

Maybe that is why Herschman is leaving-because they want Haymon back so the stars can have great fights. Stars keep their brand by defeating great fighters. HBO doesn't have enough great opponents to keep stars brand strong. Ruslan isn't even with HBO anymore.

Look dude I get you love HBO but you need to be a boxing fan first on this and be happy that the guy that banned Haymon from HBO and who is primarily responsible for the political BS is on his way out.

[Cuban Linx]

Canelo/Cotto isn't a great fight? Klitchso/Fury? Ortiz/Jennings? Please tell me the fights on PBC to end the year that are better then these? And you are wrong HBO has the best fighters that means the best fight for Haymon fighters is to fight them not the other way around. HBO has the stars who have already proven themselves Haymon's fighters want to get to that level not the other way around. You are seeing with the ratings that PBC fighters facing bums is not translating with fans or increasing their popularity one bit. What star has PBC created?

As for Crawford he has Postol and Matthysee, could also fight Iman, Ruslan all top fighters at 140 all non Haymon fighters. And the biggest fight possible for any active fighter would be Pacman

That's not the point though. In the short term HBO has options for big fights, the ones you mentioned plus Kovalev-Ward in 2016, but what about after 2016? Are they aligned with enough promoters to still make big fights in 2017,18,19... etc. They just simply don't have enough to work with and maybe that's why he was 'forced' to step down.

[jqSide]

I'm not surprised. Boxing has become boring a job for these execs. I can imagine them doing virtually nothing most of the time. It's slow, full of controversies and divas, cherrypickers, most of which went straight to Haymon.

HBO is spending their money on Game of Thrones type series. And they're making billions of dollars out of them.

[bigdunny1]

That's not the point though. In the short term HBO has options for big fights, the ones you mentioned plus Kovalev-Ward in 2016, but what about after 2016? Are they aligned with enough promoters to still make big fights in 2017,18,19... etc. They just simply don't have enough to work with and maybe that's why he was 'forced' to step down.

They literally work with every promoter, manager and entity in boxing except Haymon. How was he forced out? No media outlet is saying or accusing him of being pushed out only a few nut jobs on this message board. HBO was having a great year go look at their ratings. They locked up all the top talent in boxing. They were a part of the 2 biggest events of the year. My guess is he's leaving for a better job because his resume is at an all time high not being pushed out. And he's not talking like a man pis sed off because he got the shaft at HBO. he don't sound one bit like a man who's job was in trouble or is getting pushed out. And his success at HBO especially this year doesn't scream like a firing. You got to bring more to the table for why he would be getting pushed out for me to buy that crap.

[bigdunny1]

Dude, why are you saying compare them to PBC? Herschman is out, its not about comparing HBO to PBC its evaluating why that decision was made.

You and Deveel916 keep saying "stars". Herschman didn't create any of these stars-his predecessor did. The ones Herschman created-GGG just flopped( not that the PPV is the reason he is leaving) Kov-his best fight is Stevenson despite Herschman moving him toward Ward.

Maybe that is why Herschman is leaving-because they want Haymon back so the stars can have great fights. Stars keep their brand by defeating great fighters. HBO doesn't have enough great opponents to keep stars brand strong. Ruslan isn't even with HBO anymore.

Look dude I get you love HBO but you need to be a boxing fan first on this and be happy that the guy that banned Haymon from HBO and who is primarily responsible for the political BS is on his way out.

Herschman didn't help create Canelo and then steal him away from Showtime? And part of his job was acquiring talent which he did. HBO's main rival WAS showtime now it's PBC that's why I compared them. And Ruslan is not signed with anybody most importantly not signed with Haymon. HBO works with everybody but Haymon. Who knows who the next guy will be and if they work with Haymon. Point is HBO has proven they are successful in boxing with or without Haymon. And they have tons of options for fights they have the top tier talent. If Haymon's lower tier talent can't fight them because Haymon won't allow it that hurts them more then the other way around. They are the star fighters. That's like saying if Khan don't want to fight Floyd that hurts Floyd. No Floyd is the star if he doesn't fight Khan that hurts Khan more then Floyd. lol

[The Big Dunn]

Herschman didn't help create Canelo and then steal him away from Showtime? And part of his job was acquiring talent which he did. HBO's main rival WAS showtime now it's PBC that's why I compared them. And Ruslan is not signed with anybody most importantly not signed with Haymon. HBO works with everybody but Haymon. Who knows who the next guy will be and if they work with Haymon. Point is HBO has proven they are successful in boxing with or without Haymon. And they have tons of options for fights they have the top tier talent. If Haymon's lower tier talent can't fight them because Haymon won't allow it that hurts them more then the other way around. They are the star fighters. That's like saying if Khan don't want to fight Floyd that hurts Floyd. No Floyd is the star if he doesn't fight Khan that hurts Khan more then Floyd. lol

Herschman banned Haymon. herschman is leaving. This could mean that the next guy lifts the Haymon ban and we get the fights we want as fans. Isn't that a good thing??

Dude, you are so far up HBO's asscrack that you fail to get it-HBO isn't making the fights between their stars so they need quality fights in between time. I get you think anything on HB O is quality, the rest of the world doesn't share that philosophy.

In this example it hurts kahn, Floyd and fans. It hurts Floyd because he sold less with Berto than he likely would've with Khan. it hurts khan because he doesn't get a shot. it hurts fans because we got a far worse fight.

Herschman leaving HBO is likely better for ALL of us. Haymon, HBO, fans and fighters.

[Eastcoast]

Herschman banned Haymon. herschman is leaving. This could mean that the next guy lifts the Haymon ban and we get the fights we want as fans. Isn't that a good thing??

Dude, you are so far up HBO's asscrack that you fail to get it-HBO isn't making the fights between their stars so they need quality fights in between time. I get you think anything on HB O is quality, the rest of the world doesn't share that philosophy.

In this example it hurts kahn, Floyd and fans. It hurts Floyd because he sold less with Berto than he likely would've with Khan. it hurts khan because he doesn't get a shot. it hurts fans because we got a far worse fight.

Herschman leaving HBO is likely better for ALL of us. Haymon, HBO, fans and fighters.

The Haymon ban came from higher up than Hershman. Haymon was instrumental in Floyd going to Showtime, then Haymon/Schaeffer took young stars - Broner & Alvarez over to Showtime after HBO invested millions into them. The last straw was when Showtime counter programmed the Martinez/Chavez ppv with Alvarez/Lopez. They had no choice but to cut off Haymon after paying his fighters like Berto millions of dollars in weak fights. Considering what Haymon has done to Showtime since then, it was a brilliant move.

[Fetta]

The Haymon ban came from higher up than Hershman. Haymon was instrumental in Floyd going to Showtime, then Haymon/Schaeffer took young stars - Broner & Alvarez over to Showtime after HBO invested millions into them. The last straw was when Showtime counter programmed the Martinez/Chavez ppv with Alvarez/Lopez. They had no choice but to cut off Haymon after paying his fighters like Berto millions of dollars in weak fights. Considering what Haymon has done to Showtime since then, it was a brilliant move.

That was GBP and Oscar.

[The Big Dunn]

The Haymon ban came from higher up than Hershman. Haymon was instrumental in Floyd going to Showtime, then Haymon/Schaeffer took young stars - Broner & Alvarez over to Showtime after HBO invested millions into them. The last straw was when Showtime counter programmed the Martinez/Chavez ppv with Alvarez/Lopez. They had no choice but to cut off Haymon after paying his fighters like Berto millions of dollars in weak fights. Considering what Haymon has done to Showtime since then, it was a brilliant move.

was that Haymon, or was that ODH and GBP?

Yes, it may have been a good short term move, but maybe long term it wasn't. I don't know that it came from higher up because when Herschman got the job he fired Kerry Davis, the guy who Haymon worked closest with.

Do you think Herscman leaving is good for us fans or bad?