Erislandy Lara Calls Out Golovkin.. AGAIN

[b00g13man]

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The fans have spoken. This is a fight we want to see.

There's clearly way more interest in these fights that his fanboys are scared of. Lord knows why.

[Brickyardigan]

he did call out floyd and would have fought him at 154,he must be slow as well

Little G KNOWS he can't beat Floyd just like the other 49 on Floyd's record knew they couldn't beat him. He's only going after Floyd for the payday, he's going to look like #48 out there.

[hhs661]

I firmly believe that both the fans and GGG's team understand that Cotto/Canelo will try to milk them for every advantage possible. GGG's team will continue to deny that they'll accept any CW until the negotiations begin. There's no chance in hell they'll publicly give in now , if they did, they'd give up a ton of ground in the negotiations. They'll end up either taking a 157 CW or 155 with a much bigger purse. It's simple negotiations, no different in boxing than when buying a car.

I don't see the point in denying anything now and then giving into their demands afterwards. We know Canelo's gunning for the cinco de mayo weekend, we know Cotto will most likely want a fight in NYC on the PR Day Parade weekend so why deny it? Why start off on a bad foot and have their entire team get strong armed? The numbers for ggg, ppv wise, are nothing to be over exuberant about. Especially if Canelo vs Cotto is a success ppv wise. They'll demand whatever weight and a larger split. Anything not being agreed upon will give them any and every right to walk away. Makes no sense to me why they'd deny it now, only to put themselves in a worse situation down the line.

And Ward fight is much more difficult than you make it out to be. First, HBO told both Ward and Golovkin that they would need a long time to build up their fight (link here). Look at what's happening in Ward-Kov right now - they're planning that fight a year from now. Golovkin is not gonna wait around for Ward, he's been saying he wants to unify MW for 3+ years now.
Second, it's not a superfight. Ward's coming off a long layoff and was barely watched on free TV in his last fight. Even before all of the publicity, Golovkin's team has said that Ward's not popular, and he does nothing for him. (Link here)
Lastly, Ward at 168 is a bad proposition to him. Not only is it a very high risk/low reward fight for Golovkin, I personally think it's a lose-lose situation for him. If he loses, his career takes a step back, and he can't afford too many of those since he's already 33. If he wins, he cements his status as one of the best fighters in the world, and there would be no chance in hell that any big name (Cotto/Canelo) ever fights him. If you think it's bad that Canelo is asking for 155 now, can you imagine how bad it would be if Golovkin beat Ward at 168?

Speaking for myself only here. I never understood "marinating" a fight unless the two fighters are young prospects about to challenge for a title. These are two guys in their primes. Two guys whose talent is above anyone else in either of their divisions and yet, HBO wants to build it up. I simply take it as them protecting the guy they invest in and have earned more money by paying him less for his fights.

I simply do not understand unifying when they've claimed no one wants a piece of them. Not Quillin, the Lee fight hasn't been brought back up since ggg cancelled it due to his father's passing. Canelo and Cotto, imo, aren't going to be in a hurry to fight him at the full 160 lb limit(which I think is bull****.) Yet, he's been trying this unification for over 3 years with guys who either don't want any part of him or who are simply overmatched. I hope that BJS doesn't defeat Lee because he's gone on record stating he wants nothing to do with ggg. Just imagine that scenario if he were to have a belt. The guy is universally recognized as the best MW today. One of the best since Hopkins. So again, I don't see why he's wanting this unification that isn't even a guarantee to happen anytime soon. Baffles the hell out of me.

I also don't understand what Ward fighting on BET has anything to do with a fight happening. Lemiuex had a network pick up his fight prior to ggg at the last minute. It wasn't hbo, nor was it bet, showtime or any pbc affiliate. I believe it was fs1 and it did nowhere near the numbers that Ward's bout on bet did. So again, I don't understand that argument whatsoever. A fight vs Ward is HIGH RISK/HIGH REWARD. You lose and guess what? Hey, a ton of fans and possibly media expected it. Move back down to 160, continue your dominance there and maybe little scared punks like cotto and canelo will see an opportunity they didn't see before. You win, and not only does your stock skyrocket, your legacy is starting to be set in motion. You might just go down as one of the true greats of 160 if you decide to move down or simply become a bigger name/legend if you stay at 168.

The guy's 33. Not a spring chicken and at some point his fans, haters, critics and hbo should expect and ask for more from the man. I think he's good enough to challenge Ward. So I don't see a reason why talks shouldn't be in the works as we speak

[j0zef]

I don't see the point in denying anything now and then giving into their demands afterwards. We know Canelo's gunning for the cinco de mayo weekend, we know Cotto will most likely want a fight in NYC on the PR Day Parade weekend so why deny it? Why start off on a bad foot and have their entire team get strong armed? The numbers for ggg, ppv wise, are nothing to be over exuberant about. Especially if Canelo vs Cotto is a success ppv wise. They'll demand whatever weight and a larger split. Anything not being agreed upon will give them any and every right to walk away. Makes no sense to me why they'd deny it now, only to put themselves in a worse situation down the line.

I completely disagree - it's a generic negotiating technique IMO. When you're buying anything of high value (car, house), the seller is always asking for more than they're willing to accept. The buyer acts outraged and says you're trying to rip me off, and then you meet in the middle. Trust me, these promoters know the game better than any of us. And generally speaking, there's no 'starting off on the bad foot' in negotiations, because negotiations are done with logic, not emotions. If the deal is good, you'll take it even if the other party calls you a bastard.

Speaking for myself only here. I never understood "marinating" a fight unless the two fighters are young prospects about to challenge for a title. These are two guys in their primes. Two guys whose talent is above anyone else in either of their divisions and yet, HBO wants to build it up. I simply take it as them protecting the guy they invest in and have earned more money by paying him less for his fights.

They're doing the same thing with Kovalev. I doubt they're trying to protect anyone, it's just the way they do business. Hell, 'marinating' worked for Manny & Floyd, look at their PPV numbers.

I simply do not understand unifying when they've claimed no one wants a piece of them. Not Quillin, the Lee fight hasn't been brought back up since ggg cancelled it due to his father's passing. Canelo and Cotto, imo, aren't going to be in a hurry to fight him at the full 160 lb limit(which I think is bull****.) Yet, he's been trying this unification for over 3 years with guys who either don't want any part of him or who are simply overmatched. I hope that BJS doesn't defeat Lee because he's gone on record stating he wants nothing to do with ggg. Just imagine that scenario if he were to have a belt. The guy is universally recognized as the best MW today. One of the best since Hopkins. So again, I don't see why he's wanting this unification that isn't even a guarantee to happen anytime soon. Baffles the hell out of me.

Golovkin has barely been mainstream (HBO) for 3 years, I think the progress they're making is relatively quick.
And there's nothing better available. Golovkin is a career middle weight. All the divisions around MW are as weak as MW. If they targeted any other division, they'd be at a weight disadvantage with about the same payoff. Noone at Jr MW is better than Cotto/Canelo, and noone at SMW is either. Even if you try to bring Golovkin up to LHW (where he'll be outweighed by 15-20lbs on fight night), there's noone there except for Ward and Kovalev, neither of which is a huge name amongst casuals.

I also don't understand what Ward fighting on BET has anything to do with a fight happening. Lemiuex had a network pick up his fight prior to ggg at the last minute. It wasn't hbo, nor was it bet, showtime or any pbc affiliate. I believe it was fs1 and it did nowhere near the numbers that Ward's bout on bet did. So again, I don't understand that argument whatsoever.

Noone is saying that Lemieux is better or more popular than Ward. But a fight with Lemieux had a theme - MW title unification. A fight with Ward has nothing but put Golovkin at a weight disadvantage.

While GGG's PPV numbers werent horrible, they have definitely showed than he's not penetrated the mainstream market. Ward's BET numbers show that most fans have forgotten about him. I believe that if it was Ward instead of Lemieux on the PPV, it would have done worse.

A fight vs Ward is HIGH RISK/HIGH REWARD. You lose and guess what? Hey, a ton of fans and possibly media expected it. Move back down to 160, continue your dominance there and maybe little scared punks like cotto and canelo will see an opportunity they didn't see before. You win, and not only does your stock skyrocket, your legacy is starting to be set in motion. You might just go down as one of the true greats of 160 if you decide to move down or simply become a bigger name/legend if you stay at 168.

That's where we disagree, and I've had this conversation with other posters. You say it's a high risk/high reward. Where's the reward? If he wins and moves back down to 160, what does he gain? That maybe Canelo/Cotto would fight him? That's already the case. They want catchweights. I doubt that will change. Even if it does, he'll get the same purse cut and MAYBE they'll lose the catchweight demand?
If he wins, true.. his stock goes through the roof, amongst the hardcore fans. The casuals will still have no idea who he is. That PPV will not be watched well. Does he get a legacy? Sure. Again, amongst the hardcore fans. He'll never get another elite fighter in the ring. He'll never become popular.

Let me rephrase... beating Manny at 160 (I'm giving a ridiculous example on purpose) would cement Golovkin's legacy more than beating Ward at 172 amongst the casual fans. The casuals don't know Ward. They forgot him. But they know Cotto, Canelo, Manny, Floyd. They understand 'world title'. What's better than world title? TWO WORLD TITLES. What's better than 2? ALL WORLD TITLES. I'm being slightly insulting towards casual fans.. but that's how people think. Undefeated fighters and # of belts capture the public's imagination. Going up in class and beating an elite, unknown fighter does not.


Anyway - thank you for the constructive discussion. It's nice to talk without someone insulting you at every stage.

[BlackSoul]

so stevenson can't fight on hbo but lara can? did haymon change his mind? if so thats great we get stevenson-kovalev now!

maybe if kovalev will stop backing out of a purse bid we could have a undisputed lhw champ

[HeroBando]

maybe if kovalev will stop backing out of a purse bid we could have a undisputed lhw champ

We do already its Kovalev. Stevenson is a sideshow

[HeroBando]

I respectfully disagree. It would be his most competitive fight to date.

That's not saying much. Other than Ouma, but I bet Lara is less competitive. Like, it'd be a surprise if he went the distance, hurt GGG at all, or won more than a slow round

[BlackSoul]

Sure. But that doesn't give you the excuse to not understand verbatim. The dialogues in boxing aren't rocket science. This is why many boxing fans are enjoying the ride of K2 and Sanchez saying they would fight anyone at 154 - 168. Why say such bullshıt if it's not even going to happen. Get the point? At least you agree, publicity stunts are garbage, yes.

Like here, GGG saying he can do 154 and 168 easy. Perhaps he was just talking about diets and nothing about boxing.

damn this is incriminating evidence

[BlackSoul]

We do already its Kovalev. Stevenson is a sideshow

stevenson is the real LINEAL champ he beat the man who beat the man which is chad dawson who "beat" bernard hopkins
kov picked up belts form nobodies and the other two from 50 year old B Hop.
hardly counts as being recognized as the LINEAL which has more weight than any belt kov got

[HeroBando]

stevenson is the real LINEAL champ he beat the man who beat the man which is chad dawson who "beat" bernard hopkins
kov picked up belts form nobodies and the other two from 50 year old B Hop.
hardly counts as being recognized as the LINEAL which has more weight than any belt kov got

Doesn't matter nobody takes Stevenson seriously. Like MW champ Cotto, SWW champ Floyd, Baldomir, Erdei etc