GGG and the catchweight drama

[ИATAS]

Cotto will ask for a 155 CW, as will Canelo if he wins next month...they will negotiate and either of them two will settle a 157 CW. GGG, like all boxers is about $$$ and will take the gamble.

I know that you've read what the WBC "rules" have stated - but the WBC, WBA etc are all irrelevant - they will rewrite their own rules on the spot if it serves their best interest; cash rules all

GGG will take the CW and fight either of them two. NSB is funny...everyone hates the belts, then people loves the belts. It doesn't matter. Cotto vs Canelo vs GGG are a trio of good fights, CW or no.

Not really true regarding the WBC rules. If, say for example, Canelo beats Cotto. The WBC mandates the Golovkin fight. The two sides then enter negotiations. If neither side agree, the fight then goes to a purse bid. If it goes to a purse bid, it follows the rules - the fight is at 160 - no catchweight. The purse is split based on the WBC rules and so on. If however the two sides reach an agreement prior to a purse bid, yeah, they can agree to whatever catch weight and whatever terms they want and none of that would be violating any rules of the WBC or would require to the WBC to rewrite their rules.

So it just depends on whether the two sides can agree or if it goes to a purse bid, that's all. I'm sure it's in both sides own interest to agree, but if one side feels they are getting shafted by unfair demands, they may want it to go to a purse bid. If Cotto wins though, he seems like the kind of guy who honestly doesn't care if he's stripped of his belt and labeled a ducker so GGG might have to agree to pretty much everything just to get the fight.

[Basco]

Catchweights - you are either for them or your not

Cotto started his career at Jr. WW - asking to meet down the middle if that is a proposal seems ok. Money, prestige, status all on the line.

But when Golovkin goes up to cruiserweight - you know four divisions like Cotto and he starts demanding CW, then I don't know what the issue is when a past-prime former Jr WW does. I mean Golovkin is going to beat the **** out of Cotto whether its 157 or 160 right?

Golovkin brought this on himself 154-168 doe...except for Canelo, Cotto and Ward

And that, it's the truth right there!

[HeroBando]

And that, it's the truth right there!

It's fcuking disgusting how many of you are defending CW demands for a title unification, for 3 belts and lineal. No shame

[JmH Reborn]

Not really true regarding the WBC rules. If, say for example, Canelo beats Cotto. The WBC mandates the Golovkin fight. The two sides then enter negotiations. If neither side agree, the fight then goes to a purse bid. If it goes to a purse bid, it follows the rules - the fight is at 160 - no catchweight. The purse is split based on the WBC rules and so on. If however the two sides reach an agreement prior to a purse bid, yeah, they can agree to whatever catch weight and whatever terms they want and none of that would be violating any rules of the WBC or would require to the WBC to rewrite their rules.

So it just depends on whether the two sides can agree or if it goes to a purse bid, that's all. I'm sure it's in both sides own interest to agree, but if one side feels they are getting shafted by unfair demands, they may want it to go to a purse bid. If Cotto wins though, he seems like the kind of guy who honestly doesn't care if he's stripped of his belt and labeled a ducker so GGG might have to agree to pretty much everything just to get the fight.

I'm versed enough in the purse bid process - still waiting for the WBC to actually enforce purse bids, knowingly limiting their income potential against A+ draws.

Its one thing to pull your weight with someone like Carlos Cuadra who'll make you no dollars, than against someone like Cotto or Canelo who can line up the coffers quite well.

None of these ass-clown organizations enforced any rules against Floyd who won their 154 titles 2+ years now and you expect me to believe that they'll enforce silly purse bids against fighters who'll earn enough money in one night to pay all their salaries for the year? Especially Canelo?

I think that's naive at best.

On November 22, when the dust settles...this is what happens

Cotto wins:

1. takes a voluntary
2. rematches Canelo if warranted
3. takes a voluntary
4. Perhaps fights GGG

or

Canelo wins:
1. takes a voluntary
2. rematches Cotto if warranted
3. takes a voluntary
4. Perhaps fights GGG

It is in WBC's best financial interest to have a regular champ and GGG as their silly interim champ and gather 3% fees from both champs. Trust and believe that "unifying" the WBC title is not the top priority.

[JmH Reborn]

It's fcuking disgusting how many of you are defending CW demands for a title unification, for 3 belts and lineal. No shame

Nobody cares - good fights is all that matters

Nobody cares that Oscar/BHop was contested at like 157, we all cared that the fight just happened.

The proper fighter will win regardless of weight. The good big man will beat the good smaller man. Its silly overall to get all stressed out over something as minuscule as a CW, especially when one of the fighters has stated numerous times that he'd dominate at 154 as well

[HeroBando]

Nobody cares - good fights is all that matters

Nobody cares that Oscar/BHop was contested at like 157, we all cared that the fight just happened.

The proper fighter will win regardless of weight. The good big man will beat the good smaller man. Its silly overall to get all stressed out over something as minuscule as a CW, especially when one of the fighters has stated numerous times that he'd dominate at 154 as well

Many care. Flo mos were tearing into PAC for much less brazen CWs. Floyd said Cotto is undefeated because PAC fought him at a CW. Cotto has whined about that CW plenty. And it's also a disgrace in principle, if the belt is too big, turn it fcuking over

[Barcham]

It's fcuking disgusting how many of you are defending CW demands for a title unification, for 3 belts and lineal. No shame

IF GGG meets and beats Lee in the meantime, it will be FOUR belts and if you include the RING and IBO, that will make it for SIX TITLE BELTS.

But some think a catchweight is perfectly fine. Yeah, they are real boxing fans. Total tools is what they really are.

There will be no catchweight in this fight and according to Dougie, it is very possible that if Cotto or Canelo duck GGG and vacate the WBC title that the RING belt will be declared vacant. The only way the winner keeps the RING belt is if it is a close fight leading to an immediate rematch.

Regarding Cotto and his middleweight titles (RING and WBC), if he beats Canelo next month and does not agree to face GGG, the WBC will strip him of their title. At that point THE RING Editorial Board (with input from our Ratings Advisory Panel) will decide whether or not to vacate the publication’s middleweight championship. Circumstances will obviously come into play. If Cotto barely beats Canelo in a good fight or he wins in controversial fashion, an immediate rematch between the two is likely. I can’t speak for the Board or the Panel, but my guess is that they would be OK with continuing to recognize Cotto as THE RING champ until he settles matters with Canelo.

[big_james10]

If Cotto or Alvarez demands a catchweight to fight Golovkin, Golovkin and his team will agree to it. Don't buy into the posturing that Golovin and his promoter are engaging in. They know damn well that he is not moving up to 168 to fight Ward everrrrrrrrr, so the only other way he is going to make more than the $2 million he made Saturday night is to accept a catchweight fight against the winner of Cotto/Alvarez.

[Contra]

If Cotto or Alvarez demands a catchweight to fight Golovkin, Golovkin and his team will agree to it. Don't buy into the posturing that Golovin and his promoter are engaging in. They know damn well that he is not moving up to 168 to fight Ward everrrrrrrrr, so the only other way he is going to make more than the $2 million he made Saturday night is to accept a catchweight fight against the winner of Cotto/Alvarez.

Hopefully the WBC will force the winner of the fight to defend the belt at the proper weight. And the fans of this fighter (whether it's Cotto or Canelo) should demand that they defend the belt or vacate and give the title back to a real middleweight.

And don't apply the same old boxing stereotypes to Gennady. He may want a big payday, but it's not just about the money for him. He wants the titles, the status, the glory, and after he finishes off any MW that dares approach him (or scares the belt from around their waist) he will fight Andre at 168. Maybe after a contender or two to get comfortable at super middle, but hey, Ward wants the same treatment before he gets in with Kovalev, and I don't blame him.