Haymon just got fox for pbc

[Deevel916]

I think its obvious. Haymon is quoted by an HBO guy (HBO Boxing President or CEO iirc) as saying "I could take over boxing if I wanted" in one of the most famous articles about him from 2011 iirc. I think this is that attempt.

And people can't envision an endgame cuz no one has really tried with much success to make a NFL of boxing. And no one really payed attention or were around to pay attention to see how most sports in the US got to be where they're at now. No one knows how that would even work. Hell many boxing fans are so glass half empty with the sport at this point they act like they don't even like the sport enough to wanna see a NFL of boxing. I think its fairly simple. You do what the UFC has done. Its the most similar sport that has created a NFL of combat sports type entity.

They are making a product fairly well already. The shows all got a HBO-like, UFC-like universally look. You know when you are watching PBC before anyone even gets into the ring. They are branded. They got a huge pool of fighters. They got a huge pool of TV time. They got a huge pool of money. Now its just a game of leaning on your opposition for a few rounds to weaken them further & keep improving your own product. When you start seeing guys from HBO, TR, RN, GBP & or other top fighters come over to PBC thats when things will really start being meaningful for them. If this works as they are trying to make it work there will come a point in time that non-PBC fighters will have few options to fight anyone non-PBC affiliated thus they will drift over to PBC as well. Hell at some point I could even see PBC making offers on promotions like GBP or TR to join PBC if this goes the way they want it to. I mean this whole thing seemingly was attempted to be begin via an acquisition of GBP.

I will say GBP & TR were smart to try to get the monopoly lawsuit thing going sooner rather than later cuz thats the only thing that'll stop PBC at this point (imo). This is basically some Walmart strategy ****. If you're in the US & a lil older you surely remember Walmart coming to your town back in the day & all the mom & pop businesses going out of business over the course of several years after not being able to compete with Walmart's maybe not superior product, but superior pricing & superior shopping experience in that you could buy all your **** at one place. This is the same sorta thing for the most part. Haymon is paying cats better & buying up space on TV. Its just aggressive capitalism working the system in boxing that no one had the confidence in the sport to take advantage of or could see past the next big payday to put into play.

Cotto, Canelo, GGG and Pac (just 4 fighters) are more valuable than Haymon's 200+ fighters combined. If Haymon has any chance at succeeding he's going to need to build and establish a big star and do so quick! The one with the most potential to be that person is Wilder. Maybe this is why Haymon is reluctant to face him against Povetkin.

[aldo5408]

The average casual fan wont take the time to do that. They just want to know that there's a good action packed fight on X day and at X time. This is why HBO is still the leader. When there's an HBO fight its almost guaranteed to be on at 9-10pm ET on a Sat. Both diehards and casuals know this. With PBC, unless you actually research it, you'd never know what time/date/channel their next fight is.

I agree I forget myseld. I just said you can download a calender and it will update you its pretty cool. But even then some fights just slip my mind. I think Haymo is trying to get multiple TV deals

[aldo5408]

Cotto, Canelo, GGG and Pac (just 4 fighters) are worth more than Haymon's 200+ fighters combined. If Haymon has any chance at succeeding he's going to need to build and establish a big star and do so quick! The one with the most potential to be that person is Wilder. Maybe this is why Haymon is reluctant to face him against Povetkin.

Giggi still is making 1M a fight so you can't say yes Wirth more than a danny garcia. And those other fighters are usually ppv and Manny is always ppv. That is why we never counted floyd as a pbc even though he made more than all those dudes combined.

I think right now the only real stars he has are khan and danny those guys always sell well

[nveleven]

I'm all for major fights being broadcast publicly. But to the layperson, it seems that without a centralized authority/commissioner, all we're doing is ensuring that more factions are created within the sport. Fighter associated with this guy won't fight a fighter associated with this guy. This guy is middleweight champ, but so is this guy, and this guy too, and this is, but in name only bc he's moving down for his next fight.
It messes up what could be such a crowd-pleasing sport

[-Kev-]

Most of these fights are garbage though. Doesn't matter if you have them on every channel. If it sucks, it sucks.

It doesn't matter if you have em on every channel, for free on sattelite/regular cable. Yeah, let's see these other promoters do what Haymon is doing and give us PPV quality fights on tv/satt. We have a PBC level fight for $60 bucks tomorrow, but people do not complain about that. No. They compain about Dirrell vs DeGale being free, or Broner vs Porter beng on PBC, or how satellite available Thurman-Guerrero/Broner-Molina was such a **** card, or Santa Cruz vs Mares being live on ESPN. Na, let's complain about PBC, which btw has only 7 months. In the meantime, let me pay for this $60 dollar mismatch tomorrow, while I post about free fights being whack.

[Deevel916]

Giggi still is making 1M a fight so you can't say yes Wirth more than a danny garcia. And those other fighters are usually ppv and Manny is always ppv. That is why we never counted floyd as a pbc even though he made more than all those dudes combined.

I think right now the only real stars he has are khan and danny those guys always sell well

I think at this point its fair to say that GGG generates more money than Danny Garcia. That's what I meant by being more valuable.

[daggum]

haymon got fox lol. fox got haymon's money. they aren't giving him anything but a platform to show his joke fights that usually do terrible ratings

[Pigeons]

http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/boxing-schedule

[Eff Pandas]

Cotto, Canelo, GGG and Pac (just 4 fighters) are worth more than Haymon's 200+ fighters combined. If Haymon has any chance at succeeding he's going to need to build and establish a big star and do so quick! The one with the most potential to be that person is Wilder. Maybe this is why Haymon is reluctant to face him against Povetkin.

Haymon doesn't need to build stars. I mean he will build stars, but that takes time, probably half a decade or longer to do. Canelo has just became a star recently & has been boxing since he was 15 or 16 iirc. Pac, Cotto & GGG will be retired before PBC could take one of there 5 fight or less guys & turn him into a star more than likely. Maybe GGG will still be around. But Haymon just needs to acquire stars from other promoters not build them from the ground up.

Wilder fights like a caveman ffs. Fans love HW's so he gets attention & he's been winning & KOing mfers with his caveman style, but he's probably gonna lose to Povetkin, Klitschko, Fury, Joshua or even some lesser caliber guy (personally I think he'll get past Povetkin, but I'm not invested in that outcome, I'm not super impressed with either of those guys). I like him. He seems like a swell guy. And there is certainly power in PBC holding a "HW champions" fights on national TV, but I don't believe many people with PBC are expecting Wilder to even have a Rid**** Bowe caliber championship run. I do think he could end up being a Gatti of the HW's type cat. I foresee him being in some fights where he gets dropped & gets back up to drop the other guy & maybe win or maybe come up just short. I definitely don't believe PBC will try to make the focus of PBC about any one guy, in particular a guy who's not that talented in the basics of boxing, basically though is my bottom line & I don't see that they have. They've been hyping several guys.

[Deevel916]

Haymon doesn't need to build stars. I mean he will build stars, but that takes time, probably half a decade or longer to do. Canelo has just became a star recently & has been boxing since he was 15 or 16 iirc. Pac, Cotto & GGG will be retired before PBC could take one of there 5 fight or less guys & turn him into a star more than likely. Maybe GGG will still be around. But Haymon just needs to acquire stars from other promoters not build them from the ground up.

Wilder fights like a caveman ffs. Fans love HW's so he gets attention & he's been winning & KOing mfers with his caveman style, but he's probably gonna lose to Povetkin, Klitschko, Fury, Joshua or even some lesser caliber guy (personally I think he'll get past Povetkin, but I'm not invested in that outcome, I'm not super impressed with either of those guys). I like him. He seems like a swell guy. And there is certainly power in PBC holding a "HW champions" fights on national TV, but I don't believe many people with PBC are expecting Wilder to even have a Rid**** Bowe caliber championship run. I do think he could end up being a Gatti of the HW's type cat. I foresee him being in some fights where he gets dropped & gets back up to drop the other guy & maybe win or maybe come up just short. I definitely don't believe PBC will try to make the focus of PBC about any one guy, in particular a guy who's not that talented in the basics of boxing, basically though is my bottom line & I don't see that they have. They've been hyping several guys.

He has. Many of these guys were with GBP doing good #'s on showtime and now have fallen back.

Just look what happened with Adonis Stevenson since signing with Haymon. Adonis had lots of traction when with HBO. He was doing good numbers and a fight with Kovalev was all but about done until Haymon stepped in. Now where is he? Sometimes I even forget he's still fighting. His stock has fallen like a rock and the only times he's mentioned is when Kovalev's name is brought up.