Comments Thread For: PBC on ESPN Card Draws in Ratings Average of 428K

[The Big Dunn]

Ummm YES! If it's 2 guys who are known to pus*yfoot around the ring while playing "tag you're it", i'm not tuning in. That style does absolutely nothing for me besides help with insomnia.

You didn't answer the other questions. Those fights are very rare, maybe 1-2% of all fights on TV. Most fights on TV lack that level of skill because the fighters are younger and more raw.

I guess boxing on TV outside of main events on Saturday nights isn't for you. Watching Young fighters in 80/20, up and comers in 70/30 fights and then minor contenders in even fights is what a boxing fan does.

That's the thing about boxing, you can have a great fight without having great fighters. All the things fans want are available outside of the major names.

[bigdunny1]

OK, now I understand. Respectfully, this is why I am asking about you being a fan. A miniscule amount of fights fit the criteria above. I would say 95% of fights fail to meet this criteria.

-Compelling isn't something that can be determined before the fight, with all due respect. - NOT true at all. The story line, the stage of the fighters, ect. For example GGG fight is compelling to me because we have never seen GGG in this big a stage PPV, sold out Madison Garden or against a big puncher like Lemieux. There are a lot of things that are compelling and draw me to a fight before the fight happens

-Competitive on paper-if you do not know anything about 1 or both fighters, respectfully, you can't determine f the fight is competitive on paper. Continually shutting yourself off from minor cards means you never really know if a fight meets this criteria. - I watch tons of boxing and have seen or know about a lot of fighters. But when I don't even know who one of the fighters are and you go on websites like this and a room full of hardcore boxing fans maybe 1 has heard of this guy and he's the opponent for a top name fighter sorry I'm going to think this fight is not going to be competitive. Or if it's a fight against a fighter I have seen before and know he is not good and shouldn't be in the ring with the top name fighter sorry I'm going to think this fight is not going to be competitive. Especially when a fighter in my opinion is at a level where he shouldn't be fighting guys like that sorry that will turn me off unless I am a huge fan of that fighter and his style I might over look it.

-fights I have been asking for/relevance-I would argue 95% of fights are those you are not asking for. This criteria seems limited to only the big names (otherwise why would you ask for them to fight guys). With respect to PBC there is some bias because you will watch fights that you didn't ask for on HBO but not on PBC. - That's your opinion there are fights on HBO I haven't watched, fights on PBC, TruTV, FoxSports1 ect. And fights I do watch. I'll say it again more often then not PBC features fights I don't want or that I don't feel are relevant.

Again, I appreciate the response. You can't watch every televised fight. I just think as hardcore fans it helps to support all levels of fighters, not just those at the top. I like to watch a fighter grow, develop and change as his career unfolds, not just when he starts getting HBO or Showtime televised fights. - you are assuming I only watch top fighters. I never said that. I watched tons of prospects and lesser known fighters. I watched ESPN Friday Night fights, ShowBox, fights on HBO Latino and even recently the last 2 LA Fight Clubs on R!ngTV Live from Golden Boy. I can enjoy prospects and fighters on the rise. I don't enjoy fighters who I feel have long graduated from that level but are still fighting those weak competition fighters.

[Fetta]

No, I don't know the exact amount PBC has lost already but anyone with a brain can see they are operating at a loss on a fight by fight basis. To debate that fact is pure ignorance. To this point I don't know how anyone can say PBC has been anything but a failure. Whether you want to talk about all the millions they are losing and the bad tv ratings there is no bench mark where you can say this is a success. Now if you want to say it's not over yet and something will change this around. OK fair enough. My only question is the trend is heading the other way not up so what is the magical change that you envision that is going to turn this all around and get fans on board? What is the game changer that nobody sees coming? PBC didn't start small spending money slowly giving them a long time to build this thing up. They came out guns blazing on too many networks spending too much money so they have a short window to make this work before they dig too deep a hole in money lost. And spending all that money to get on ESPN only to see more fans rather watch WNBA on ESPN2 is not a good sign.

So you know nothing but will pretend.

I will say, I don't know what you do for a living but if you're not in sales then you missed your calling son. You can BS with the best of them

[Motofan]

I had no idea it was on until I saw the result.

[bigdunny1]

The Big Dunn It seems like you are trying to put all fans who don't think PBC is a good product into one neat box/category and accusing them of being ignorant boxing fans if they don't. Quite frankly PBC has made a lot of mistakes that have rubbed fans and people in boxing the wrong way. Many fans are not watching these fights for a multitude of reasons doesn't mean they aren't knowledgeable about boxing.

[bigdunny1]

So you know nothing but will pretend.

I will say, I don't know what you do for a living but if you're not in sales then you missed your calling son. You can BS with the best of them

Yes please tell me again how the mighty WNBA is the reason PBC flopped on ESPN. You are the only one spewing BS around here.

[The Big Dunn]

OK, now I understand. Respectfully, this is why I am asking about you being a fan. A miniscule amount of fights fit the criteria above. I would say 95% of fights fail to meet this criteria.

-Compelling isn't something that can be determined before the fight, with all due respect. - NOT true at all. The story line, the stage of the fighters, ect. For example GGG fight is compelling to me because we have never seen GGG in this big a stage PPV, sold out Madison Garden or against a big puncher like Lemieux. There are a lot of things that are compelling and draw me to a fight before the fight happens

-Competitive on paper-if you do not know anything about 1 or both fighters, respectfully, you can't determine f the fight is competitive on paper. Continually shutting yourself off from minor cards means you never really know if a fight meets this criteria. - I watch tons of boxing and have seen or know about a lot of fighters. But when I don't even know who one of the fighters are and you go on websites like this and a room full of hardcore boxing fans maybe 1 has heard of this guy and he's the opponent for a top name fighter sorry I'm going to think this fight is not going to be competitive. Or if it's a fight against a fighter I have seen before and know he is not good and shouldn't be in the ring with the top name fighter sorry I'm going to think this fight is not going to be competitive. Especially when a fighter in my opinion is at a level where he shouldn't be fighting guys like that sorry that will turn me off unless I am a huge fan of that fighter and his style I might over look it.

-fights I have been asking for/relevance-I would argue 95% of fights are those you are not asking for. This criteria seems limited to only the big names (otherwise why would you ask for them to fight guys). With respect to PBC there is some bias because you will watch fights that you didn't ask for on HBO but not on PBC. - That's your opinion there are fights on HBO I haven't watched, fights on PBC, TruTV, FoxSports1 ect. And fights I do watch. I'll say it again more often then not PBC features fights I don't want or that I don't feel are relevant.

Again, I appreciate the response. You can't watch every televised fight. I just think as hardcore fans it helps to support all levels of fighters, not just those at the top. I like to watch a fighter grow, develop and change as his career unfolds, not just when he starts getting HBO or Showtime televised fights. - you are assuming I only watch top fighters. I never said that. I watched tons of prospects and lesser known fighters. I watched ESPN Friday Night fights, ShowBox, fights on HBO Latino and even recently the last 2 LA Fight Clubs on R!ngTV Live from Golden Boy. I can enjoy prospects and fighters on the rise. I don't enjoy fighters who I feel have long graduated from that level but are still fighting those weak competition fighters.

-story line? dude, you are making my point for me. You are being drawn into the fight based on how its marketed. GGG is likely going to win by KO. Most think this. Respectfully, compelling is not the word for this fight.

Most fights don't have a "story line", just the major ones. I think as a fan you should expand your horizons.

-ok so you are fans of fighters and not necessarily the sport in and of itself-which is ok. But you are limiting yourself by not watching and learning for yourself if a guy is good or not.

why you need the opinions of other fans is strange to me. If you watch, you for your own opinions. They clearly do not watch just like you, so why do you value their opinion?

I am not assuming, I am going off your answers. If you watch sll these fights, good. Then you shouldn't mind the cards on PBC.

Respectfully, there are mismatches which you eagerly watch and support in certain situations, so I just hope you keep that support for all cards, not just those on a certain network.

The main point PBC offers far less gross mismatches than certain NSB posters suggest. As such, production issues aside, its boxing cards that otherwise wouldn't get televised.

How is this kind of exposure bad for a sport whose main problem over the past decade has been exposure?

[The Big Dunn]

The Big Dunn It seems like you are trying to put all fans who don't think PBC is a good product into one neat box/category and accusing them of being ignorant boxing fans if they don't. Quite frankly PBC has made a lot of mistakes that have rubbed fans and people in boxing the wrong way. Many fans are not watching these fights for a multitude of reasons doesn't mean they aren't knowledgeable about boxing.

I did no such thing and I resent you suggesting I did. I did not call you or imply you or anyone was ignorant, bad , not a real fan, untrue or anything like that. I also made no comment on your intelligence level. Please do not try and take away from my points by pretending or outright lying about my points.

A lot of fans decided not to watch before they even saw it. Those that have raised concerns, such as you, some are valid. I even acknowledged that earlier in the thread.

PBC for the most part gives you the fan a chance to see fighters you otherwise wouldn't. As hardcore fans, that is something I think is a good thing.

Boxing is not ring girls, entrance music, entourages or story lines. Boxing is what happens in the ring. It seems to many hardcore fans are focusing on those things then what is happening in the ring-good fights, fair scorecards an upsets-all things most of us as hardcore fans want and appreciate.

[bigdunny1]

-story line? dude, you are making my point for me. You are being drawn into the fight based on how its marketed. GGG is likely going to win by KO. Most think this. Respectfully, compelling is not the word for this fight.

Most fights don't have a "story line", just the major ones. I think as a fan you should expand your horizons.

-ok so you are fans of fighters and not necessarily the sport in and of itself-which is ok. But you are limiting yourself by not watching and learning for yourself if a guy is good or not.

why you need the opinions of other fans is strange to me. If you watch, you for your own opinions. They clearly do not watch just like you, so why do you value their opinion?

I am not assuming, I am going off your answers. If you watch sll these fights, good. Then you shouldn't mind the cards on PBC.

Respectfully, there are mismatches which you eagerly watch and support in certain situations, so I just hope you keep that support for all cards, not just those on a certain network.

The main point PBC offers far less gross mismatches than certain NSB posters suggest. As such, production issues aside, its boxing cards that otherwise wouldn't get televised.

How is this kind of exposure bad for a sport whose main problem over the past decade has been exposure?

Funny you tell me not to put words in your mouth and again here you go again doing that towards me. Story lines can mean many things like for example a fighter getting his first shot at world title, a fighter facing his first fight against someone with KO power, his first fight moving up weight, a rematch of a close fight ect. If you think this only applies to big fights and that these don't add to a fans excitement going into a fight well I strongly disagree. And when did I say I am only a fan of fighters and not the sport? The fact you got that from my response says more about you again trying to paint anyone who doesn't like the product PBC puts out there into a box. I love the sport of boxing and don't just watch a specific group of fighters. Not sure how many times myself and others can say it. We watch boxing or many platforms, many different fighters we just think PBC is a weak product. lol And going by the PBC TV ratings we are more in the majority of boxing fans then you. But again you keep trying to act like if you don't watch or criticize PBC then you are not a "hardcore" boxing fan like me attitude. You are no better or worse a boxing fan then anybody else. And saying fans don't like it before they even tried it or watched it is just wrong I personally went out and told many friends and co-workers check out PBC. I have watched many of their fights. And I still think it's a weak product not because I don't watch it but because I have and it's just weak for all the reasons I already mentioned. Stop asking people to fill out a boxing questionnaire just because they point out flaws in PBC.

[The Big Dunn]

Funny you tell me not to put words in your mouth and again here you go again doing that towards me. Story lines can mean many things like for example a fighter getting his first shot at world title, a fighter facing his first fight against someone with KO power, his first fight moving up weight, a rematch of a close fight ect. If you think this only applies to big fights and that these don't add to a fans excitement going into a fight well I strongly disagree. And when did I say I am only a fan of fighters and not the sport? The fact you got that from my response says more about you again trying to paint anyone who doesn't like the product PBC puts out there into a box. I love the sport of boxing and don't just watch a specific group of fighters. Not sure how many times myself and others can say it. We watch boxing or many platforms, many different fighters we just think PBC is a weak product. lol And going by the PBC TV ratings we are more in the majority of boxing fans then you. But again you keep trying to act like if you don't watch or criticize PBC then you are not a "hardcore" boxing fan like me attitude. You are no better or worse a boxing fan then anybody else. And saying fans don't like it before they even tried it or watched it is just wrong I personally went out and told many friends and co-workers check out PBC. I have watched many of their fights. And I still think it's a weak product not because I don't watch it but because I have and it's just weak for all the reasons I already mentioned. Stop asking people to fill out a boxing questionnaire just because they point out flaws in PBC.

Major fights generally have "story lines", not minor ones. I didn't consider some of these things you listed story lines.

I never made any claim or implied in any way as to what type of fan you are or if you are worse or better than me because you do not watch PBC. Please, stop that.

Please only speak for yourself in terms of what is watched. A lot of fans bad mouthed it before watching it. You know this. So please, you may not have (I didn't say you did) but other surely did.

You keep deflecting to PBC's flaws, which I have already acknowledged sevral times, agreed with you, and repeatedly said my point isn't about that.

It's about what fans miss when they limit what boxing they watch. They miss out on young prospects developing from wet behind the ears to ATG. They miss matchups between undefeated up and comers that go a long way to determining who you see on HBO/Showtime.

I just think as a fan, the in the ring action outweighs the problems. PBC has had good fights, fair judging and upsets, all things we as core fans enjoy.

I understand the problems you have with it, what I don't understand is why the primary reason you watch-the fight-doesn't outweigh the tertiary things.