No US medals at the World Champs

[RaTaTa]

Won yesterday by some really wide scores. Tomorrow he fights an Uzbeki fighter, Tulaganov.

The Turkish guy Ali Eren fights at +91.Is he good?

[M Bison]

The four American boxers have been knocked out of the World Champs and none of them will take a medal home. This follows from the 2012 Olympics where Team USA didn't win a medal for the first time in their history.

American fans, are you worried that this will affect your professional stars of the future? Is this just a blip or does American amateur boxing need some sort of reform.

Post and discuss.

Question, what was the nationality of the people handing out the KO losses to the American fighters?

[Ham Porter]

Yeah its a 10 point system but its basically like using compubox to figure that out...

Computer scoring is no longer in use in amateur boxing.

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I take it youve never played sports before. Cause if you did then you would know that you arent born at 6' 2" or whatever, you grow and while you are growing you play football/basketball/baseball from pop warner through high school. And yes these 5' 9" middleweights wanna play football then too and they do. and all this takes place around the time that boxers would be working on their craft.

Football rules America

guess what dummy, they have sports in other countries too, do you think boxing is the biggest sport in europe and that the kids just "Grow up boxing"? lmao

america ruled boxing when it had near complete control of boxing promotion, no other reason, imagine if PBC was all we had and you get the picture

back when foreman vs lyle was considered a display of skill and technique (2 barely trained men gassing in rd 1 then winging slow motion 12 ft wide hooks at each other with a 1% block percentage for the remainder of the fight). That sort of stuff is worshiped in US boxing. Nostalgia for that horrid slop is probably the reason they can't compete anymore.

The only US boxers who survived were the point boxer/philly shell guys who fight more like cubans than they do like old school US boxers.

[Bigg Rigg]

People barely care about Pro Boxing here in America so NOBODY cares about Amateur/Olympic Boxing which is Sad.

That being said when you have your elite young talent turning Pro as 16 and 17 years old, yeah that leaves team US with inferior talent. Erikson Lubin, Tim Lee and Devin Haney are all Pros and all are still Teenagers so

Then again why not turn pro when Haymon has his Prospects living like this:

" Just 2 years ago I was homeless with no place to go God is real and he shows that dreams really do come true if you continue to work hard you will be rewarded. To be 19 years young and move into my first house is truly a blessing. This is not a post to brag on what I have but to show that God exists so believe in him, honor him and dreams will become reality. Special thanks to my strong solid team who also helped me where I need to be " #GODISGREAT #AlhaymonBoxing #TeamMolina ����������

A photo posted by Timothy Lee (@spotlightt) on Aug 15, 2015 at 7:38pm PDT

Tim Lee is only 19 years old and has like 2 Pro Fights under his belt and he already has a sick house

After Danny knocked out Khan's bum ass, he spoke and sounded real genuine when he said "Al Haymon changed my life". He's really taking care of the fighters which is good but sucks for us as fans sometimes.

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Is the US the worst boxing nation on the planet per capita (very large number of boxers, very few good ones)?

And if so what is the cause?

Poor diets (sans elite athletes with nutritional teams)?

Clinging to nostalgic styles (there are still old scruffy trainers around who think 1970s winging punches slop would cause a ruckus today)?

Entitled/politically correct society creating mushy victim boys who don't know how to try at anything?

What other reasons?

[Larry the boss]

I train 3 amateur kids and I will be the 1st to say from what I see in Southern California (at least) is most trainers whether it be some kids dad or a certified trainer, they (we) all prepare our kids more so towards a professional style of boxing. The amateur style of boxing that we became accustom to is really "played out" for lack of a better term. The point system is crappy because it can easily be manipulated. If and when the amateurs becomes more of a pro style, the US will be back on top with a few surprise countries coming out of the wood works.

^^^^^100 percent true

[Eff Pandas]

Its kinda f#cked up, but not unexpected. The playing field isn't all that equal nowadays. You can make a career & have a life being a amateur in many countries. In the US you got guys getting some expenses at best handled from my understanding. There isn't really "amateur boxing" anymore (& that goes beyond & predates the WSB). With that being the reality you'll have grown men (25-30yrs old) living their life, getting married, having kids, driving respectable cars in certain countries & you got US kids (18-23 years old) struggling to make it on a small stipend (again if their lucky) fighting guys who have many key advantages over them due to the age & experience disparity. The way things are & the game is loaded against US boxers having amateur success these days.

[SlySlickSmooth]

People barely care about Pro Boxing here in America so NOBODY cares about Amateur/Olympic Boxing which is Sad.

That being said when you have your elite young talent turning Pro as 16 and 17 years old, yeah that leaves team US with inferior talent. Erikson Lubin, Tim Lee and Devin Haney are all Pros and all are still Teenagers so

Then again why not turn pro when Haymon has his Prospects living like this:

" Just 2 years ago I was homeless with no place to go God is real and he shows that dreams really do come true if you continue to work hard you will be rewarded. To be 19 years young and move into my first house is truly a blessing. This is not a post to brag on what I have but to show that God exists so believe in him, honor him and dreams will become reality. Special thanks to my strong solid team who also helped me where I need to be " #GODISGREAT #AlhaymonBoxing #TeamMolina ����������

A photo posted by Timothy Lee (@spotlightt) on Aug 15, 2015 at 7:38pm PDT

Tim Lee is only 19 years old and has like 2 Pro Fights under his belt and he already has a sick house

Damn!!!

Time to become a gatekeeper for Haymon. However these kids might be taking pay advances. A trap Sugar Ray Robinson fell into with his promoter.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

Khyzhniak did his best, but Joe Ward's counters were far too much. Is it just me or does that guy like huge for an 81kg fighter? La Cruz loves to fight with that reflex based, hands down style. Problem is, he puts himself way off balance with that. That's what lead to him getting dropped today. Still won, but can't make that mistake against better opposition.

Alvarez won his fight today against Longchin, who was pretty game. Not Alvarez's finest performance, though he won very clearly. He now goes on to fight that Ukrainian kid, Beliak, who fought the Japanese fighter, Narimatsu. I expect Alvarez to win, but that kid will bring it. He certainly brought it today. That was a fun fight.

Valentino got beaten up by that Mongolian guy, who now goes on to fight Abduraimov. They fought in the recent Asian Boxing Confederation Championships and it appears that Otgondalai beat Abduraimov pretty clearly. Looking at Abduraimov's record, he seems to generally lose at this level. Lost to guys like Dimitrov, Isayev, and Safiullin, among others.

Conceicao took a round to get warmed up, but them beat the Russian pretty clearly. He will now face Joseph Cordina, who beat the North Korean.

Selimov pulled out a tough win against McComb. Won first two on two cards, then basically cruised through the last round. Selimov is really deceptive. He fights at a steady pace, then out of nowhere he'll explode with fast leads. McComb fought well, but Selimov was just too intelligent for him. Next up for Selimov is Sofiane Oumiha, who beat the young Venezuelan kid, Luis Cabrera, today. Selimov basically toyed with Oumiha back in June. I'd be shocked if Selimov lost to him.

If the matchups go as I expect, I think we'll see Alvarez vs Otgondalai and Selimov vs Conceicao.

On a final note, the Cuban flyweight, Yosbany Veitia, won today. He looked quite impressive. He actually lost to the American kid, Antonio Vargas, in the Pan American Games. Anybody know why Vargas isn't in the Worlds?

Joe Ward started of really strong. Fast and hard punches. I was impressed.
He seems to have poor stamina though. He started slowing down in the second round and Khyzhniak out worked him in the third. I heard that he could be lazy at times and it kinda shows, maybe that's why he appears big?

He was holding a lot so makes me think his stamina was running out. I don't recall him holding a lot in previous bouts, I think he wasted a lot of energy in the first round where he was throwing fast and powerful combinations. Khyzhniak could have worked during the clinches, but preferred for the referee to separate them. That's one of the things I don't like about amateur boxers, it's like they don't teach these guys how to fight on the inside and the clinch. Khyzhniak could have outworked him in the Second round, a round in which Ward held more than actually threw. If he would've won that round the fight would've been his. They have to start teaching these guys to work during the clinch, until the ref says break!
When Joe Ward lets his hands go it's a thing of beauty though.
La Cruz has beautiful footwork, but he does get careless in there. I wonder if anyone could upset him. Ward and Niyazymbetov may have shot. I doubt anyone will beat him though.

The 60 kg from Mongolia looked pretty good. He could give Lazaro a good fight. I can't wait for Quarterfinals.

That's a great question. I thought Vargas handled Veitia and the rest of the competitors of the Pan Am's rather easily. They didn't send him to the World Qualifiers for some reason though and instead send a lesser boxer. I think Vargas is the only American that has potential to medal at the Olympics.

If you reply just PM so we won't keep bumping this thread lol.