What the Differences Between Adrien Broner and Lucas Matthysse Say About Boxing

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  • SalimShady1212
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    What the Differences Between Adrien Broner and Lucas Matthysse Say About Boxing

    Very interesting read, of course opinion based and depends on what you prefer: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...y-about-boxing

    Last weekend, we saw everything the sport of boxing ultimately boils down to these days in two distinctly different promotions.

    Over on Showtime, Adrien Broner easily dispatched of Khabib Allakhverdiev to capture the vacant WBA 140-pound title belt. On HBO, Lucas Matthysse was stopped by lanky boxer Viktor Postol for the vacant WBC version of the same weight class.

    Broner and Matthysse represent the dichotomy of today’s boxing world.

    On one hand, we have the enigmatic Broner.

    Against Allakhverdiev, the talented and boisterous star earned his fourth title belt in as many weight classes. That’s nothing anyone should scoff about. Even with the proliferation of alphabet belts in today’s boxing world, a fighter can’t really win that many titles without being at least a very good fighter.

    Broner somehow received a WBA title shot coming off a loss.
    And Broner is a very good fighter. He has fast hands and feet. He’s athletic, quick-fisted and is an accurate puncher when he wants to be. In fact, if one were only to consider raw physical tools, the 26-year-old would probably be on the short list of those who might someday replace the recently retired Floyd Mayweather as boxing’s biggest star.

    But Broner will never be like Mayweather, because no matter how much he tries to mimic him on fight night, he hasn’t shown the tenacity or temerity to do what Mayweather had to do outside the ring all his life to make the most of his potential.

    Mayweather is the consummate professional when it comes to fight preparations. Broner, by his own admission, is not.

    Like Broner, Matthysse is a very good fighter, too. The 33-year-old is probably closer to the end of his career than Broner, but the two are similar in contendership status within the junior welterweight division.

    Both are top talents.

    Matthysse was in tough against Postol.
    But Matthysse isn’t as athletically gifted as Broner. He doesn’t have the foot speed or the fast hands. He also doesn’t appear to have the same kind of athletic ability, the kind that probably allows Broner to succeed in just about whatever sport he chooses.

    And, of course, Matthysse lost his fight on Saturday night.

    But while his opponent, Postol, was unknown by all but the most hardcore fight observers, the matchup was pretty even going into the fight. Matthysse had struggled in the past with good boxers like Postol, and the taller man’s physical attributes were not going to make things any easier.

    Matthysse took the fight anyway.

    Here’s what I see when I look at Broner and Matthysse. I see two fighters who are about the same level, for one reason or another, when it comes to fight night. Neither man could be considered great at boxing. Neither is elite. But both are good and capable fighters who deservedly land spotlight gigs on boxing’s two premier cable destinations: Showtime and HBO.

    The supremely talented Broner has won four title belts now. He’s been a world champion at junior lightweight, lightweight, junior welterweight and welterweight, too.

    He should be proud of that.

    On the other hand, Matthysse has won zero title belts, failing in his second such bid over the weekend by Round 10 knockout.

    He should be even more proud.

    There is a large segment of the boxing world that would disagree with me. They’d argue Broner’s alphabet bouts and move up in weight classes prove the point quite convincingly.

    But those people are wrong.

    Matthysse has maximized his potential. Has Broner?
    Matthysse might not have the title belts, but he absolutely has the better resume. He’s taken the tougher fights, plied his trade with integrity and didn’t go about his boxing career as if the object of the game were to take as few risks as humanly possible.

    Matthysse’s losses to Postol and Danny Garcia are nothing to be ashamed about. Those fighters were just better. He lost two close decisions to Zab Judah and Devon Alexander. Both could have rightly been scored his way.

    And his wins over Ruslan Provodnikov and Lamont Peterson are better than any of Broner’s so-called title belt wins, too.

    There are two schools of thought in boxing. One says fighters should be managed carefully, given a myriad of advantages in every single situation and matched with lower-tier opponents for vacant belts to rig the game in their favor.

    I'll take Matthysse's quality losses over Broner's best wins.
    The other school says fighters should consistently try to face and defeat the best competition available. Matthysse does this. Broner never has.

    Someone reading the fight results this week might tell his buddy that Broner was the only one of the two junior welterweights over the weekend who could be called a winner.

    But it’s hard for me to call someone who took an easy and contrived title belt win over a hapless opponent as a springboard to calling out, per Bad Left Hook, 35-year-old no-hoper Ashley Theophane a winner. And it's equally hard to describe Matthysse, coming off a close decision win over Provodnikov in what might ultimately be awarded Fight of the Year, a loser for taking on one tough challenger after another.

    At least to me, boxing should never be about wins and title belts. It should be about the fights. No matter their records at the end of things, Matthysse took the tougher ones.
    Last edited by SalimShady1212; 10-07-2015, 12:24 PM.
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    Good article. The only bias is 2 points:

    the writer left out Broner fighting Maidana and Porter. Broner showed all the same heart and guts Lucas has in his losses-except he didn't quit, where Lucas did.

    the writer fails to point out in each of the fights he called "tough matchups" Lucas was favored to win just as Broner was.

    Broner not maximizing his potential is because of what he does outside of the ring. Matts maximizing his is, as the writer points out, rooted in him not having the god given gifts Broner has.

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    • 12TRIBEsRiSe
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      so lucas lost and quit and somehow his loss is better than Broners win??? what was the purpose of this article and why are posters trying to make more out of lucas quitting than it was while shi**ing on broner??? like whats the reason??? lucas may just need to fight in his hometown a few more times and retire, he had a good run. broner has 2 loses and is 26 so he still has a chance to make something of his career even though I think hes pretty much going to always be what he is, but has a shot at 140 to be pretty good. of course lucas resume is better... hes older and pretty much at the end of his career smh.

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        Originally posted by 12TRIBEsRiSe
        so lucas lost and quit and somehow his loss is better than Broners win??? what was the purpose of this article and why are posters trying to make more out of lucas quitting than it was while shi**ing on broner??? like whats the reason??? lucas may just need to fight in his hometown a few more times and retire, he had a good run. broner has 2 loses and is 26 so he still has a chance to make something of his career even though I think hes pretty much going to always be what he is, but has a shot at 140 to be pretty good. of course lucas resume is better... hes older and pretty much at the end of his career smh.
        Exactly!! I was confused. I mean quitting and losing is better than winning.

        Belts are irrelevant to me but winning 4 championships in 4 different weight classes isnt as good as never winning a belt and losing all your championship caliber fights?

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          Originally posted by Fetta
          Exactly!! I was confused. I mean quitting and losing is better than winning.

          Belts are irrelevant to me but winning 4 championships in 4 different weight classes isnt as good as never winning a belt and losing all your championship caliber fights?
          lmaooooooooo I am not understanding the logic!!!

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            #6
            Originally posted by 12TRIBEsRiSe
            so lucas lost and quit and somehow his loss is better than Broners win??? what was the purpose of this article and why are posters trying to make more out of lucas quitting than it was while shi**ing on broner??? like whats the reason??? lucas may just need to fight in his hometown a few more times and retire, he had a good run. broner has 2 loses and is 26 so he still has a chance to make something of his career even though I think hes pretty much going to always be what he is, but has a shot at 140 to be pretty good. of course lucas resume is better... hes older and pretty much at the end of his career smh.
            Originally posted by Fetta
            Exactly!! I was confused. I mean quitting and losing is better than winning.

            Belts are irrelevant to me but winning 4 championships in 4 different weight classes isnt as good as never winning a belt and losing all your championship caliber fights?
            Err you guys are missing the point. The article is basically saying that although Broner is a talented and has won 4 world titles, Lucas has consistently strived to fight the best and although he's come up short against the #1 guy both times, he should be applauded for going after the best win or lose and that deserves more respect than fighting the likes of Khabib for world titles. It's Not saying that Lucas is a better fighter but rather that his path deserves more respect than Broner's at this present time that is. Of course Broner being young he can still build a legacy.

            And finally it's the author's opinion of course.
            Last edited by SalimShady1212; 10-07-2015, 12:32 PM.

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              Originally posted by Salim_Shady
              Err you guys are missing the point. The article is basically saying that although Broner is a talented and has won 4 world titles, Lucas has consistently strived to fight the best and although he's come up short against the #1 guy both times, he should applauded for going after the best win or lose and that deserves more respect than fighting likes of Khabib. Not saying that Lucas is better but his path deserves more respect than Broner's so far that is. Of course Broner being young can still build a legacy.
              Ok salim which deserves more credit-

              Lucas losing to danny and Postol or

              Broner losing to Porter and Maidana?

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              • SalimShady1212
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                Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                Ok salim which deserves more credit-

                Lucas losing to danny and Postol or

                Broner losing to Porter and Maidana?
                Were not comparing the losses of both fighters buddy, were talking about the consistency of the level of opponents. After Broner loses he has two or three fighters against the likes of Emmanuel Taylor and Carlos Molina and gets a title shot vs an inactive guy coming off a loss whereas Luxas has said he wants to return against a top guy. Molina an Ortiz were the best guys he was offered by Haymon and he complaining saying that he felt they were not at the top level.

                Back to your question, Broner was a big favourite and was the one who rejuvenated Chino's career. He also made Porter make 144 and Porter was coming off a bad performance vs Bone and a loss vs Brook. DSG was also the underdog but also the lineal champ on top of the world and Postol was the number 1 for A reason. All 4 are very respectable.
                Last edited by SalimShady1212; 10-07-2015, 12:37 PM.

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                • 12TRIBEsRiSe
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                  Originally posted by Salim_Shady
                  Err you guys are missing the point. The article is basically saying that although Broner is a talented and has won 4 world titles, Lucas has consistently strived to fight the best and although he's come up short against the #1 guy both times, he should be applauded for going after the best win or lose and that deserves more respect than fighting the likes of Khabib for world titles. It's Not saying that Lucas is a better fighter but rather that his path deserves more respect than Broner's at this present time that is. Of course Broner being young he can still build a legacy.

                  And finally it's the author's opinion of course.
                  I guess we will have to see once broners path is finished but it would also be okay to just congratulate broner for winning and move on instead of saying, "yeah he won but lucas career is way better". for some reason the writer of this article along with a lot of posters here REFUSE to just do this. somehow they are trying to get everyone to ride with the guy who lost and quit over the guy who won because the guy who lost has always fought the best but came up short?

                  but at least the writer acknowledged that to be a champ at any division u at least have to be a good fighter... this seems to escape the minds of a lot of these posters who think anyone who loses or struggles in a professional fight with another professional fighter is a bum and u can be a bum and a champ at the same time...

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                  • 12TRIBEsRiSe
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                    Originally posted by Salim_Shady
                    Were not comparing the losses of both fighters buddy, were talking about the consistency of the level of opponents. After Broner loses he has two or three fighters against the likes of Emmanuel Taylor and Carlos Molina and gets a title shot vs an inactive guy coming off a loss whereas Luxas has said he wants to return against a top guy. Molina an Ortiz were the best guys he was offered by Haymon and he complaining saying that he felt they were not at the top level.

                    Back to your question, Broner was a big favourite and was the one who rejuvenated Chino's career. He also made Porter make 144 and Porter was coming off a bad performance vs Bone and a loss vs Brook. DSG was also the underdog but also the lineal champ on top of the world and Postol was the number 1 for A reason. All 4 are very respectable.
                    broner moving up to 147 and fighting chino was the dumbest mistake of his career IMO

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