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  • #41
    Originally posted by LarryXXX View Post
    By fighting the people he has been fighting
    He fights everyone they put infront of him, its unlike Floyd who picks his opponent If he was picking and choosing who he fought you'd have a case but unfortunately you don't.

    As I said before... Off topic.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by SilverMiles View Post
      Golovkin been champ for like 5 years and has almost 20 title defenses.
      He didn't beat anyone for the title. He won an interim title and then got promoted to full champion lol.

      Brook actually had to go to America and take the title from Porter.

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      • #43
        Well Paper champ vacant title king only ever beat 1 reigning champ and he was supposedly a 3 time champ lol.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
          He didn't beat anyone for the title. He won an interim title and then got promoted to full champion lol.

          Brook actually had to go to America and take the title from Porter.
          GGG defends his title in how many countries?
          Panama
          Germany
          Ukraine
          America
          *France

          Brook went over to America a single once to fight and he now is taking the title back to Britain.

          I mean Kell Brook has once only fought away from home, I wouldn't see why you'd even bring that up...
          Kell is a home-based fighter doing it the easy way and he likely always will be so its incredibly ****** for you to even say that.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Red Cyclone View Post
            GGG defends his title in how many countries?
            Panama
            Germany
            Ukraine
            America

            Brook went over to America a single once to fight and he now is taking the title back to Britain.

            I mean Kell Brook has once only fought away from home, I wouldn't see why you'd even bring that up...
            Kell is a home-based fighter doing it the easy way and he likely always will be so its incredibly ****** for you to even say that.
            The point was about how Brook won the title. He went over to the champion's backyard and took the belt.

            Golovkin was handed his title by the WBA. He didn't have to beat anyone for it. And I don't really care if he fights bums in Panama and Monaco

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            • #46
              Originally posted by SilverMiles View Post
              Golovkin been champ for like 5 years and has almost 20 title defenses.
              Never actually fought a champion though. Lemieux is the first time he is going to face a title holder.

              Pretty common nowadays, champions who never beat a champion for their title.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
                The point was about how Brook won the title. He went over to the champion's backyard and took the belt.

                Golovkin was handed his title by the WBA. He didn't have to beat anyone for it. And I don't really care if he fights bums in Panama and Monaco
                If he was handed his WBA title all those years back then why hasn't anyone came and took it off him if he is such a weak champion?
                GGG is proven in the amateurs and the pro ranks, Kell started two years before GGG and he only scratched the surface last year and hasn't done anything since not unless begging Amir Khan for a payday counts as something but he was begging Khan for a payday practically his whole career.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Red Cyclone View Post
                  If he was handed his WBA title all those years back then why hasn't anyone came and took it off him if he is such a weak champion?
                  GGG is proven in the amateurs and the pro ranks, Kell started two years before GGG and he only scratched the surface last year and hasn't done anything since not unless begging Amir Khan for a payday counts as something but he was begging Khan for a payday practically his whole career.
                  Where did I say he was a weak champion? I just stated a fact. He didn't beat anyone to win the title and he hasn't fought anyone in numerous defences since.

                  Golovkin has begged several people for paydays. You don't seem to have a problem with that doe.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
                    Where did I say he was a weak champion? I just stated a fact. He didn't beat anyone to win the title and he hasn't fought anyone in numerous defences since.

                    Golovkin has begged several people for paydays. You don't seem to have a problem with that doe.
                    The difference is one man has actually fought everyone he possibly could the other has hid in Britain whilst under the false guise of "the special one", since you go so heavily on what other fighters say why does Marvin Hagler and Mikkel Kessler rate GGG so highly, how could they he hasn't fought any paperweight champion right?

                    You're aware a lot of the legends back then didn't fight many champions but I guess in an era locked and loaded with paper champions like Jamie McDonnell and so on beating those guys is what counts the most, would you have been happy If Murray didn't get robbed against Martinez and then went on to fight GGG?

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
                      Brook took a while to get properly noticed. He wasn't an amateur standout like Khan or Cotto (mentioned in the OP) who were groomed for success at a very early stage by powerful promoters. Or Broner who was groomed as the next Mayweather by Al Haymon. He fought on a lot of undercards and small hall shows for years.

                      Brook was promoted (not very well) by Frank Warren for a long time. Warren had him playing second fiddle to the likes of Khan, Cleverly and co.

                      Brook was also quite ill-disciplined as a young fighter. Bad lifestyle, ballooning up in weight, getting into trouble.

                      At the end of the day, he's improved to become a world champion and it doesn't really matter what he did before. It matters what he does now.

                      Only certain fans are keen to harp back on the past because their own fighters are becoming less relevant by the day.

                      Brook's career seems to be on the up whilst other more heralded British prospects started out with a **** but are petering out very rapidly.
                      It's true about the amateur thing. And I don't know why fans unfailry compare amateur standsouts with extensive amateur backgrounds to fighters with little to no amateur experience. And it happens on both sides. For example comparing Chavez Sr 100+ fights to Mayweather Jr's 49 fights. Well obviously, Chavez had like 15 amateur fights, while Floyd had 90, so of course.

                      Then there is Canelo not facing a tough opponent right away at 19 years old, GBP haters telling him to step up. Dude had no amateur experience, what do they expect? I'm surprised Canelo was thrown in there with Trout, Lara, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland by 25 years old. Guys like him and Chavez Jr needed more time to develop, fight more cans before stepping up, especially Chavez Jr. At least Canelo became a polished boxer extremely fast. No matter what anyone says, he beat both Trout and Lara in close fights, two stand out amateurs.

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