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  • justicia liga
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    #241
    Originally posted by aboutfkntime
    A person with something to hide, would usually attempt to hide it.

    Not ring the testing agency and ask for assistance LOL.
    This statement contains multiple inaccuracies. Mr. Mayweather was
    notified by the Doping Control Officer (DCO) at his home around 1:45
    pm, prior to Mr. Mayweather relocating to MGM
    Grand Garden Arena
    for the weigh-in. From the time of notification, Mr. Mayweather was
    continuously monitored by the USADA DCO until the sample collection
    was completed at approximately 8:15 pm.

    The IV was administered after the athlete had already been notified by the USADA DCO and in the presence of the USADA DCO. In addition, Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO, who was made aware of the need for the IV due to Mr. Mayweather’s physical condition and who continued to monitor Mr. Mayweather throughout the administration of the IV by the paramedic and thereafter until a full sample was collected from Mr. Mayweather.
    Those are from the USADA response.

    The Doping Control Officer wasn't notified by ringing him. He was already there when he was notified or maybe he was notified because of the fact that he was there to collect a sample. And he wasn't the one who decided that Mayweather needed an IV but made aware already that Mayweather needed an IV even though part of the DCO's job is to advise the athlete if further hydration is appropriate or not to provide a proper urine sample.

    Mayweather was notified at 1:45pm. The weigh-in at the MGM was at about 3pm. Mayweather weighed in a pound under the limit which was about of 450 ml of fluids already. And the IV infusion was done after the weigh-in.

    Given that, I'd like to know why the DCO consented to an IV when there was ample time for oral hydration.

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    • tangalog2200
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      #242
      Originally posted by Zaroku
      That was a ****ty way for that Ortiz fight to end! But protect yourself at all times. Ortiz was not mentally ever there! He would have lost anyway!

      But Cortez was kinda messed up! I liked Tony Weeks, when he let Floyd fight his way off the ropes! Maidana made me smile, and I was laughing like crazy! Money kept looking to Mr. Weeks as the third man in the ring to help him out. Weeks is lucky he can ref any fight, with Floyd's power!
      ortiz's and cortez's heads are already walking to the banks when floyd dished out the very infamous 1-2 suckers......

      protect yourself at all times....more so when going to banks ha ha ha

      a well choreographed dance...

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        #243
        Originally posted by justicia liga
        Those are from the USADA response.

        The Doping Control Officer wasn't notified by ringing him. He was already there when he was notified or maybe he was notified because of the fact that he was there to collect a sample. And he wasn't the one who decided that Mayweather needed an IV but made aware already that Mayweather needed an IV even though part of the DCO's job is to advise the athlete if further hydration is appropriate or not to provide a proper urine sample.

        Mayweather was notified at 1:45pm. The weigh-in at the MGM was at about 3pm. Mayweather weighed in a pound under the limit which was about of 450 ml of fluids already. And the IV infusion was done after the weigh-in.

        Given that, I'd like to know why the DCO consented to an IV when there was ample time for oral hydration.
        Unless you happen to be an experienced medical practioner who examined Mayweather at the time, how do you know that oral hydration was possible?

        Isn't that a massive assumption ?

        I am sure that question occured to USADA, and I am sure they investigated.

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          #244
          Originally posted by justicia liga
          Those are from the USADA response.

          The Doping Control Officer wasn't notified by ringing him. He was already there when he was notified or maybe he was notified because of the fact that he was there to collect a sample. And he wasn't the one who decided that Mayweather needed an IV but made aware already that Mayweather needed an IV even though part of the DCO's job is to advise the athlete if further hydration is appropriate or not to provide a proper urine sample.

          Mayweather was notified at 1:45pm. The weigh-in at the MGM was at about 3pm. Mayweather weighed in a pound under the limit which was about of 450 ml of fluids already. And the IV infusion was done after the weigh-in.

          Given that, I'd like to know why the DCO consented to an IV when there was ample time for oral hydration.
          good point..

          also, i believe that such medical situation needed a verification by the nsac commission's doctor(s)...before any action is understaken...

          emergency situation? nope! doesn't hold water..

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            #245
            Originally posted by justicia liga
            Given that, I'd like to know why the DCO consented to an IV when there was ample time for oral hydration.
            This is the problem. The assumption that oral rehydration is the only method. The fact that IV and Oral exist, regardless of "masking," has been in place long before the idea. I can't give clues to my doc for a bonus example, but if anybody were in on it, USADA, NSCA, and WADA must be dumbest fools for allowing exemptions for any the****utic process regarding injections and intravenous.

            The only conspiracy theorist or I guess defacto loud mouth that created the idea was non other than classic chicago sausage voice Victor Conte. These two goons (Hauser), sat together playing paddy cake. HBO behind the scenes promoting VADA. All these dudes are fools.

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              #246
              Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
              This is the problem. The assumption that oral rehydration is the only method. The fact that IV and Oral exist, regardless of "masking," has been in place long before the idea. I can't give clues to my doc for a bonus example, but if anybody were in on it, USADA, NSCA, and WADA must be dumbest fools for allowing exemptions for any the****utic process regarding injections and intravenous.

              The only conspiracy theorist or I guess defacto loud mouth that created the idea was non other than classic chicago sausage voice Victor Conte. These two goons (Hauser), sat together playing paddy cake. HBO behind the scenes promoting VADA. All these dudes are fools.
              yes, there is oral & iv...

              you can drink water or gatorade and nobody can spin anything out of this...and drinking is the quickest and easiest way to rehydrate...

              to do an iv, more so if over the allowed or prescribed volume, a commission doctor's approval and supervision are needed...or you think not?

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                #247
                Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
                This is the problem. The assumption that oral rehydration is the only method. The fact that IV and Oral exist, regardless of "masking," has been in place long before the idea. I can't give clues to my doc for a bonus example, but if anybody were in on it, USADA, NSCA, and WADA must be dumbest fools for allowing exemptions for any the****utic process regarding injections and intravenous.

                The only conspiracy theorist or I guess defacto loud mouth that created the idea was non other than classic chicago sausage voice Victor Conte. These two goons (Hauser), sat together playing paddy cake. HBO behind the scenes promoting VADA. All these dudes are fools.
                Yep, unless you happen to be an experienced medical practioner who examined Mayweather at the time, how is it possible to know that oral hydration was possible?

                That is a massive assumption.

                I am sure that occured to USADA, and I am sure they investigated.

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                  #248
                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                  Unless you happen to be an experienced medical practioner who examined Mayweather at the time, how do you know that oral hydration was possible?

                  Isn't that a massive assumption ?

                  I am sure that question occured to USADA, and I am sure they investigated.
                  The timeline itself and that mayweather isn't at anytime vomiting during that time assures that oral hydration was possible. If an IV was necessary; why did it take more than hour for it to be infused?

                  IVs are not prohibited by the NSAC and the use of IVs is, in fact, a
                  common practice among athletes licensed to fight in Nevada. As such,
                  it is illogical to suggest that Mr. Mayweather had an obligation to
                  apply to NSAC for a TUE for a procedure that is not prohibited or
                  otherwise monitored by them.
                  Again from the USADA response. Given that, how much of an investigation do you think they did?

                  And actually by NSAC regulations; IV's not authorized by them are illegal. And they were not informed so they did not authorize it. They are just not interested in pursuing it.

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                  • justicia liga
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                    #249
                    Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
                    This is the problem. The assumption that oral rehydration is the only method.
                    I wonder where you got that idea from my post?

                    What I'm saying is that there was ample time for oral hydration before resorting to the use of an IV infusion.

                    Even before the weigh-in; he could have taken about 450 ml of fluids and still make weight.

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                      #250
                      Originally posted by justicia liga
                      I wonder where you got that idea from my post?

                      What I'm saying is that there was ample time for oral hydration before resorting to the use of an IV infusion.

                      Even before the weigh-in; he could have taken about 450 ml of fluids and still make weight.
                      The problem is people referencing general medical literature of the normal walk in patient vs. WADA's own disclaimer in their code about fighters aiming to a particular weight. Low and behold, the verbage of TUE or Retroactive are found....

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