The History of P4P Kings

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Popularity doesn't mean better. I say this all the time but you have people saying Gonzales hasn't beaten anyone but how would you know unless you follow those weight classes.

There's guys on here who think Porter is better than Estrada because they seem him on their TV more.

Gonzales has earned his position as #1 and wasn't just handed it and allowed to seat on it like some many others including Mayweather and Jones.

I follow those wieght classes and its a joke to have roman #1.. The guy is top ten, but not 1 or 2.. Roman just fought a guy with 28 losses..
Francisco win is like beating Rico Ramos..

Yaegashi is nothing special, how is he better than geale or Murray

The Estrada win was in 2012, the same year that Ward was still active.. Roman hasn't done much else since..
Let him fight and beat nietas, inoui, Estrada 2 before we proclaim number 1..

Guys like Ward, rigo, wlad, bradley, Kovolev have all won huge top level fights.. Roman, like GGG shows all he potential in the world but needs bigger fights to vault up the rankings of p4p

beating the #1 guy in 2 different divisions doesn't qualify as huge fights? in what universe? only reason he isn't getting more credit is because his fights weren't on US tv. if ward wasn't on US tv would anyone care about him? no he would be another ottke/darius. good fighters but were they ever on the p4p list?

Sorry but it did happen. He is currently the recognized P4P #1 by TBRB, ESPN and The Ring. You can keep crying about how small he is or realize that you don't have to be big or popular to be a quality boxer.

EDIT: Personally I see Gonzalez as number two behind Wlad. But all this complaining from NSB is hysterical to me.

Roman didn't look like a top #1 guy vs viloria..


Rigo, Ward, floyd, manny would have made easy work of viloria, roman got tagged and worked to hard to think he is #1 p4p

Bump.....

Told y'all fools years ago, that Roman wasn't p4p elite and getting overrated

[BrometheusBob.]

Bump.....

Told y'all fools years ago, that Roman wasn't p4p elite and getting overrated

Roman has had a very good run. The fact that he's lost a fight doesn't make him a bum whose career accomplishments are nullified. But he is probably now done at this level.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Roman has had a very good run. The fact that he's lost a fight doesn't make him a bum whose career accomplishments are nullified. But he is probably now done at this level.

I'm not dis*****g his run, just the fact that years ago I said he wasn't elite p4p ahead of guys like Ward..

I caught nothing but flack back then for saying he was more a #4-8 type p4p guy and not top 1 or 2.

I said when he fights guys like Estrada 2, cuadros, inuio, etc then he would have a case

[SilverMiles]

Roman has had a very good run. The fact that he's lost a fight doesn't make him a bum whose career accomplishments are nullified. But he is probably now done at this level.

Don't you just love when fighters are retroactively downgraded in the rankings? I mean it's not enough to drop him from the Top Ten P4P today. You have to go back and drop him from his rightfully earned spot from 2 years ago.

And that's after winning a 4th division title, it's lunacy.

Bump.....

Told y'all fools years ago, that Roman wasn't p4p elite and getting overrated

Sorry bro but you can't bump a thread from 2 years ago

There has to be a statute of limitations on "Told you so bragging" and 2 years and another history making 4th division title later is missing the mark by a lot.

The guy was P4P the best.

Your grievance would be better expressed if Roman hadn't had a full career and Hall of Fame credentials.

[BrometheusBob.]

I'm not dis*****g his run, just the fact that years ago I said he wasn't elite p4p ahead of guys like Ward..

I caught nothing but flack back then for saying he was more a #4-8 type p4p guy and not top 1 or 2.

I said when he fights guys like Estrada 2, cuadros, inuio, etc then he would have a case

Well I mean, if you said it years ago of course eventually he would lose. I could say that for any p4p #1 (except Floyd).

But fair enough. I can see a case to have had him lower than #1.

I think he has a few strong wins and in that post you quoted of mine, I was expressing that I felt he was looked at too unfavorably just because he is a small guy. Which is still true.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Don't you just love when fighters are retroactively downgraded in the rankings? I mean it's not enough to drop him from the Top Ten P4P today. You have to go back and drop him from his rightfully earned spot from 2 years ago.

And that's after winning a 4th division title, it's lunacy.



Sorry bro but you can't bump a thread from 2 years ago

There has to be a statute of limitations on "Told you so bragging" and 2 years and another history making 4th division title later is missing the mark by a lot.

The guy was P4P the best.

Your grievance would be better expressed if Roman hadn't had a full career and Hall of Fame credentials.

Lmao...

I have been saying it for years.. let him step up and fight..

His first title win is still his best performance and it was a decade ago, and Estrada fight was in 2012.

Then he fought average guys, faded names, or guys with 28 losses and somehow you guys elevated him to #1, me and sterling archer call you out on your insanity and ask for Roman to fight the other top guys, and I feel he beats them then yeah he has a case for #1, but then he steps up and gets badly..

I'm sorry but beating yaegashi doesn't make you p4p greatness even if it's a solid win

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Well I mean, if you said it years ago of course eventually he would lose. I could say that for any p4p #1 (except Floyd).

But fair enough. I can see a case to have had him lower than #1.

I think he has a few strong wins and in that post you quoted of mine, I was expressing that I felt he was looked at too unfavorably just because he is a small guy. Which is still true.

My whole point was he got overrated very quickly, he hadn't had a big win since beating Estrada in 2012 but somehow he gets elevated to the top of p4p rankings in 2015, yet he really did nothing in the meantime.

2008-2012 was where Roman had his hall of fame run

[SilverMiles]

Lmao...

I have been saying it for years.. let him step up and fight..

His first title win is still his best performance and it was a decade ago, and Estrada fight was in 2012.

Then he fought average guys, faded names, or guys with 28 losses and somehow you guys elevated him to #1, me and sterling archer call you out on your insanity and ask for Roman to fight the other top guys, and I feel he beats them then yeah he has a case for #1, but then he steps up and gets badly..

I'm sorry but beating yaegashi doesn't make you p4p greatness even if it's a solid win

Sorry SAA but that's just false.

He moved up to 115lbs and beat the #2 fighter there in his debut who was undefeated at the time. To say he stepped up and lost when Cuadras still holds a victory over the Thai fighter and was the champion is a falsehood.

Estrada
Viloria
Cuadras
Niida
Yaegashi

All solid wins, all these fighters were rated within the top 3 of the division when Roman fought them.

I mean I get what you're saying but I think you're down playing some of his solid wins between Estrada and Yaegashi. And he was still Lineal Champion in 3 divisions.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Sorry SAA but that's just false.

He moved up to 115lbs and beat the #2 fighter there in his debut who was undefeated at the time. To say he stepped up and lost when Cuadras still holds a victory over the Thai fighter and was the champion is a falsehood.

Estrada
Viloria
Cuadras
Niida
Yaegashi

All solid wins, all these fighters were rated within the top 3 of the division when Roman fought them.

I mean I get what you're saying but I think you're down playing some of his solid wins between Estrada and Yaegashi. And he was still Lineal Champion in 3 divisions.

Viloira was washed up

Estrada? When did he fight Estrada? Way back in 2012 and never rematches him.. how did Roman get elevated to p4p 1 in 2015 when Estrada win was 3 years prior

Yaegashi is basically a ghost Guerrero caliber of fighter, good but not great

Cuadras wasnt a p4p elite performance.. I can't imagine loma, Floyd, Ward, rigo, having that much trouble with Cuadras


Niida was all the way back in 2008...




Fact is Roman, fought bums or washed up fighters from 2013-2016, yet fanboys elevated him to p4p 1 with no reason..



Sorry but beating guys with 29 losses, or faded washouts, or average guys like yaegashi doesn't and shouldn't elevate him to #1

[SilverMiles]

Viloira was washed up

Estrada? When did he fight Estrada? Way back in 2012 and never rematches him.. how did Roman get elevated to p4p 1 in 2015 when Estrada win was 3 years prior

Yaegashi is basically a ghost Guerrero caliber of fighter, good but not great

Cuadras wasnt a p4p elite performance.. I can't imagine loma, Floyd, Ward, rigo, having that much trouble with Cuadras


Niida was all the way back in 2008...




Fact is Roman, fought bums or washed up fighters from 2013-2016, yet fanboys elevated him to p4p 1 with no reason..



Sorry but beating guys with 29 losses, or faded washouts, or average guys like yaegashi doesn't and shouldn't elevate him to #1

I can imagine them all having issues with Cuadras type fighter, I say this because Roman, Estrada, and Rungvisai all had trouble with him and all arguably lost to him and they're top level fighters. I mean good chin, impressive hand speed, can move, can ****, can counter, and throw head-body combos. No one is getting past this type of fighter easily rather it be Loma, Mayweather, Ward, or Rigo. They struggled with much lesser fighters.

Name wise and accomplishment wise it was one of the best wins of 2016 even if it was hardly a dominant performance.

You make a good point to a certain extent but he was universally recognized as the best for 2 years, we can't change that.