Mayweather vs Tszyu, who wins it now?

[mECHsLAVE]

1) That round was not a 10-8 round, and that's the bottom line.

2)2nd, I'm not interested in entertaining any questions you have about Mayweather's tenure at the top of the pound for pound list. His ability, resume, and moving up in sevaral weight classes speak for themselves.

3)I love how the 1st name you suggest is Calzahge, who has ONE good win in his own division. What's that smell? Oh, right, bull ****.



4)All this after proclaiming you don't like to talk about pound for pound rankings.

You just keep getting more and more humerous.

1) I think a round with a clear knockdown that the fighter getting knocked down also clearly loses is a 10-8 round. So we simply disagree. No you don't HAVE to score it 10-8, but suggesting that you CANNOT score it 10-8 is utterly incorrect.


2) Of course you aren't. You won't answer the question because you don't want to go there. I understand. Hey, almost all fighters in the lower weight ranges gradually move up a weight or two. And in Floyd's case, sure he's moving up, but that's easy when you are picking losing fighters to go against. I admire true champions over showcase fighters. We again disagree and admire different things in the sport.


3)Calzaghe only has one good win? LOL That's laughable. And it shows your ignorance and bias. We all know you hate Calzaghe and rip him any chance you get. And we all know why. And I love how you pick him out and ignore the others I listed, all of whom have been more impressive than Floyd in recent years.


4) When have you ever seen me list my P4P list? I never do. So you're the one who looks humorous. I may chime in with my opinion from time to time, but I never bother to rank P4P lists. Why? Because it's a meaningless, subjective title that you can apparently hold by avoiding the best fighters in your weight classes for several years. Everyone has Floyd as P4P #1. I'm happy for him. I just listed off several fighters whose recent work I've been far more impressed with. Argue that if you'd like.

[Nautilus]

If Kostya were 30 years old, I think it would be a 50/50 fight. A great fight, obviously.

I would still love to see Kostya vs PBF. It would be a terrific fight.

[Bozo_no no]

1) I think a round with a clear knockdown that the fighter getting knocked down also clearly loses is a 10-8 round. So we simply disagree. No you don't HAVE to score it 10-8, but suggesting that you CANNOT score it 10-8 is utterly incorrect.


2) Of course you aren't. You won't answer the question because you don't want to go there. I understand. Hey, almost all fighters in the lower weight ranges gradually move up a weight or two. And in Floyd's case, sure he's moving up, but that's easy when you are picking losing fighters to go against. I admire true champions over showcase fighters. We again disagree and admire different things in the sport.


3)Calzaghe only has one good win? LOL That's laughable. And it shows your ignorance and bias. We all know you hate Calzaghe and rip him any chance you get. And we all know why. And I love how you pick him out and ignore the others I listed, all of whom have been more impressive than Floyd in recent years.


4) When have you ever seen me list my P4P list? I never do. So you're the one who looks humorous. I may chime in with my opinion from time to time, but I never bother to rank P4P lists. Why? Because it's a meaningless, subjective title that you can apparently hold by avoiding the best fighters in your weight classes for several years. Everyone has Floyd as P4P #1. I'm happy for him. I just listed off several fighters whose recent work I've been far more impressed with. Argue that if you'd like.

The longer winded, the more clear the level of frustration is.

It's LAUGHABLE you tell me you don't like to discuss pound for pound rankings and then want me to elaborate.

I'm not elaborating, because it isn't necessary.

Mayweather's #1 right now, and anyone who suggests otherwise is doing so out of either ignorance or spite. With you, it's a mix of both.

Calzaghe has one RECENT win that would have any pound for pound clout, and mentioning his name in the same breath as Mayweahter makes you look like an ass, and as I pointed out, it's the FIRST guy you mentioned when trying to dispute Floyd.

And nice back peddling about that round from last night.

It was NOT a 10 - 8 round. Scoring it as such is unrealistic and ignorant. End of story.

[mECHsLAVE]

Calzaghe.....

it's the FIRST guy you mentioned when trying to dispute Floyd.

And nice back peddling about that round from last night.

It was NOT a 10 - 8 round. Scoring it as such is unrealistic and ignorant. End of story.

ME? Backpeddling? You just tried to say it was a slip and not a knockdown a couple posts ago. Hehe. It WAS a 10-8 round because that WAS a KD, clearly. LOL I mean, you are making it more complicated than it is.

And yes, I mentioned Calzaghe, along with Wright, Taylor and Pac, as quick examples of fighters who have recently beaten the best in their division, something Floyd hasn't done in many years. You picked out Calzaghe, whose recent domination of Lacy impressed everyone but you, I guess. And Wright, Taylor, Pac, Hatton- you're telling me none of those guys have impressed you more than Floyd in the past few years? Really? Seriously? Beating the best in their division rather than beating losers?

-If you answer "Yes, they have," then why is Floyd still at P4P #1 according to you? Because of his boring win over Castillo in '02?

-If you answer "No, they haven't," then you must admire showcase performances against losers, over true championship wins against the best fighters in your division.

See to me, that is what boxing is all about. I'm not about the showcase and exhibitions. I like the championship fights, when the best face the best. Not hand-picked fighters coming off of major losses. But hey, that's just me.

[Verstyle]

i think mayweather would ko his ass. i really think so

[Bozo_no no]

ME? Backpeddling? You just tried to say it was a slip and not a knockdown a couple posts ago. Hehe. It WAS a 10-8 round because that WAS a KD, clearly. LOL I mean, you are making it more complicated than it is.

How is it complicated to say that was NOT a 10-8 round, and was not scored as such because that's the norm.

You scoring that round 10 - 8 is ignorant and unrealistic.

If one of the judges had scored it that way, he would have been widely critisized.

You're wrong, and unable to admit it. That's your schtick.

2nd, I really like how you continue to infer that I'm somehow afraid to justify ranking Floyd at top spot. Like that's a really challenging notion


You mentioned several fighters that have reccent impressive wins, does that merrit them sky rocketing to top spot?

Stop being an idiot. Seriously.

Floyd has a great resume, and has looked spectactualr in moving up in weight.

If you're looking for people who are going to DISAGREE with having him ranked at #1, it's going to be an insignificant handfull of people driven by spite and or ignorance.

What you're doing is trying to come up with (weak) reasons why he shouldn't be at the top instead of asserting who should. This is because you know you're wrong and are just looking to avoid admitting it.

[mECHsLAVE]

Again, you refuse to answer simple questions that I put to you.

Floyd hasn't fought the best in his division in several years and there are many fighters whose recent work I've been more impressed with in the past few years. See, you adhere to that old rule about once you get to be P4P #1, then you can't lose that ranking without losing in the ring. I argue that you CAN in fact lose it while continuing to win, and that the winner of Taylor-Wright will clearly be ahead of Floyd in whatever multi-weight rankings you want to dream up.

You said it yourself "Floyd has looked spectacular moving up." Looked spectacular? Is this a dance contest? This is a fight sport where you engage the champions and best fighters you can. Floyd hasn't done that in a long time. So, to me, that has to drop him in the rankings when other fighters actually are. Once again, it's easy to "look spectacular" when you don't fight the best in your division and sign up against fighters trying to come back from recent major losses.

[Bozo_no no]

Again, you refuse to answer simple questions that I put to you.

Floyd hasn't fought the best in his division in several years and there are many fighters whose recent work I've been more impressed with in the past few years. See, you adhere to that old rule about once you get to be P4P #1, then you can't lose that ranking without losing in the ring. I argue that you CAN in fact lose it while continuing to win, and that the winner of Taylor-Wright will clearly be ahead of Floyd in whatever multi-weight rankings you want to dream up.

You said it yourself "Floyd has looked spectacular moving up." Looked spectacular? Is this a dance contest? This is a fight sport where you engage the champions and best fighters you can. Floyd hasn't done that in a long time. So, to me, that has to drop him in the rankings when other fighters actually are. Once again, it's easy to "look spectacular" when you don't fight the best in your division and sign up against fighters trying to come back from recent major losses.

P4P is so subjective that I really don't really even like discussing it-

There goes that notion huh?

Floyd has wins over a long list of solid opposition from his dominating tenure at 130 up until now.

Your argument that some fighters have more recent impressive wins really faulters with your inability to mention specificly who you'd rank above Floyd.

Once again, you continue to complain about Floyd's ranking without suggesting anyone you'd rank above him.

Why don't you put it to a poll? See who things Mayweather isn't the top pound for pound fighter, and you'll find your name mixed in with some real winners on the "no" side.

You're spinning your wheels because you don't like being made to look ignorant, but once again, your logic is self defeating.

And that's all on top of using the topic to avoid admitting you scoring that round 10-8 is a joke.

[GunStar]

If those are the best wins of Kostya's career that you scoff at (a brutal KO of a reigning, undefeated prime Judah- and a two brutal KOs of a prime Mitchell- all 3 of which fights he was supposed to lose)

I just proved a point to you, that Mayweather has beaten the so called scraps in Zab & Mitchell over the last year, but the funny thing is these 2 scraps are best wins in Tszyu's career. Then you should not compare Tszyu's resume to PBF.

Tszyu did not knock Mitchell out in the first fight, you made it sound it was a brutal knockout, fact is Mitchell was actually winning the fight & he couldn't continue because he injured his knee. How was this a brutal knockout, please explain??? Tszyu did stop Mitchell in the second fight, but not in the first fight.


Tszyu got knocked out in his prime by who (Vince Phillips)

Mayweather has not lost a fight yet.

Tszyu beat bunch of over the hill guys in his prime.

Mayweather beat guys, like Chico, Castillo twice & Chavez just to name a few.

You called me a PBF nut-hugger, fact is you're PBF hater & have proven to be hater of PBF.

[mECHsLAVE]

I will never admit that scoring that round 10-8 is a joke. It was a clear knockdown. Judges can score a round 10-8, 10-9, 10-10 whatever- at their discretion, not based on what the referee sees or doesn't see. If a JUDGE sees something that he thinks makes it a 10-8 round (and guess what? a clear knockdown would probably qualify) then he can score it so. Simple. Agonizingly simple. That's why I let it go. You are spinning your wheels and going in circles debating something that is totally meaningless because you are so in love with Floyd that someone saying that he only beat Judah by 3 points offends you, why? Because it would force you to take a close look at Floyd and if he is in fact P4P #1 when he was knocked down beating a fighter by only a few points that Carlos Baldomir just beat.

I actually rarely discuss P4P, like I said. I rarely ever post P4P lists, because they are so utterly subjective that they are meaningless. I'm arguing the top spot with you and youre tap-dancing all around the answer. The real answer is that whether or not you or I think Floyd is P4P #1 is not relevant, only the fact that he hasn't fought the best in his division or won a true championship in many years. P4P is a meaningless title if Floyd DOES have it, because it means you can keep it for years without actually fighting the best. Get it, finally?

A poll? They happen every week, why do another? It's a popularity contest. You'll have some Taylors, some Pacs, some Floyds, etc. It's mostly everyone picking their favorite fighter out of a group of top fighters below HW. For what it's worth, I think you'll have almost everyone with any sense choosing Taylor as #1 in the upcoming P4P polls if he can beat Winky.