Comments Thread For: Marquez Rejects Arum's Idea of Facing Pacquiao in 2016

[Left Hook Tua]

Soooooooo all you have is speculation. Pacquiao refusing OST because of a fear of needles, despite several tattoos on his arm looks su****ious. OHKOing Hatton, stopping Cotto, and literally breaking Margarito's face despite starting at 108 is su****ious, but I'm not gonna be a moron and call him a PED user because he beats fighters that I like. The excuses people make for Pacquiao are ridiculous at times.

Pacquiao is human, and susceptible to being dropped by punches that he can't see coming. It's happened before. Also considering that a fighter's punch resistance wears down after being repeatedly hit in the head, noting that he couldn't knock him down or out in the first 3 fights means jack **** :/

and pac wasn't koing guys at 112, 122, 126?

LOL

pac had ONE PUNCH ko power in the lower weights.

he didn't have ko power let alone ONE PUNCH ko power when he moved up.

he wasn't koing guys ar 147.

mosley, clottey, marg went to decision.

he didn't ko oscar and cotto.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

I wouldn't come back at all if I was Marquez, been out of the game for so long and didn't look so good in his last 2 fights, even against Pacquiao he didn't look all that great before the KO. The guy is really old and he has no business being in the ring again especially at 147, he has nothing else to prove.

[Left Hook Tua]

In what universe is a TKO not a stoppage victory?

there's 2 kinds of tko.

one where your power has the guy out on his feet and one where the guy is taking too many punches.

pac didn't have those "SAVE THE FIGHTER" tko. he had the "LANDING TOO MANY PUNCHES" tko.

even paulie malignaggi has tkos like that.

[doom_specialist]

there's 2 kinds of tko.

one where your power has the guy out on his feet and one where the guy is taking too many punches.

pac didn't have those "SAVE THE FIGHTER" tko. he had the "LANDING TOO MANY PUNCHES" tko.

even paulie malignaggi has tkos like that.

No, there's one kind of TKO. The one where it's a technical knockout. The fight was stopped early because Manny was doing too much damage to ODLH. How you get stopped doesn't matter. You got stopped.

Manny stopped ODLH, and no one with a brain says otherwise. Who the hell says "Yeah Manny got a TKO, but he didn't stop him?" Seriously?

[BennyST]

bro, ppl was saying the jmm ped thing BEFORE the fight.

this was not pac big head or floyd iv jokes.

did you see JMM body?

come on now.

3 fights, 36 rounds, 108 minutes of tagging Pac at will = NO KD

then this fight with his NEW body at 40 yrs. old, dropped pac with 1 punch, put him to sleep with 1 punch.

He had exactly the same body in the third fight too...if he'd been on roids, with Memo, he was on them in the third fight too, but no KD though, so what happens there? He'd already been with Memo for ages heading into their third fight, so why couldn't he KHTFO in that one too if it was just roids?

It was game plan and a different tactic that got it for him. He landed that same punch twice before it got the KO...why didn't it work the previous two times if he had some miraculous increase in power? Why did he have to land an absolutely pin point perfect counter punch for it to stop him?

[doom_specialist]

and pac wasn't koing guys at 112, 122, 126?

LOL

pac had ONE PUNCH ko power in the lower weights.

he didn't have ko power let alone ONE PUNCH ko power when he moved up.

he wasn't koing guys ar 147.

mosley, clottey, marg went to decision.

he didn't ko oscar and cotto.

You glossed over my comment entirely just to note that Pacquiao has always had power and thus is likely clean. Previously you noted that Marquez has himself always had power, but somehow raised a red flag by hitting a guy with a clean right hand dead on the temple and knocking him down. That tells me this argument isn't worth it. Agree to disagree, to each his own, we all have our own opinions, and all that other ****.

I truly believe Marquez and Pacquiao have always been clean fighters despite them both having what could be seen as red flags. That said, I don't run to the PED excuse to slander legends of the sport whenever something spectacular happens. He was getting lit up like a Central Park Christmas tree before the damn thing landed, but kept his composure and simply got him with a wicked shot, which is not an unprecedented event in boxing.

[BennyST]

No, there's one kind of TKO. The one where it's a technical knockout. The fight was stopped early because Manny was doing too much damage to ODLH. How you get stopped doesn't matter. You got stopped.

Manny stopped ODLH, and no one with a brain says otherwise. Who the hell says "Yeah Manny got a TKO, but he didn't stop him?" Seriously?

Well, he didn't. Seriously.

It wasn't a TKO mate. RTD, which means he retired. Which means Pac didn't stop him. It means Oscar pulled out of the fight.

[doom_specialist]

Well, he didn't. Seriously.

It wasn't a TKO mate. RTD, which means he retired. Which means Pac didn't stop him. It means Oscar pulled out of the fight.

An RTD is a stoppage, and is put in the TKO column :/

If the fight was stopped due damage dealt by Pacquiao, you'll have to excuse me for saying that Pacquiao stopped him. You don't refuse to come out for the next round because the other guy DIDN'T beat you into submission. Just saying.

[Left Hook Tua]

He had exactly the same body in the third fight too...if he'd been on roids, with Memo, he was on them in the third fight too, but no KD though, so what happens there? He'd already been with Memo for ages heading into their third fight, so why couldn't he KHTFO in that one too if it was just roids?

It was game plan and a different tactic that got it for him. He landed that same punch twice before it got the KO...why didn't it work the previous two times if he had some miraculous increase in power? Why did he have to land an absolutely pin point perfect counter punch for it to stop him?

i don't think so, benny.

jmm wasn't on anything 3rd fight.

he bulked up 4th.

you can tell. jmm was slow and sluggish 4th. he seemed normal 3rd fight to me.

i think he hired memo like 2011-2012. he wasn't with memo for ages. the jmm fans would know but i'm pretty sure jmm hired memo like 2011.

[BennyST]

An RTD is a stoppage :/

If the fight was stopped due damage dealt by Pacquiao, you'll have to excuse me for saying that Pacquiao stopped him. You don't refuse to come out for the next round because the other guy DIDN'T beat you into submission. Just saying.

Sort of, but it's not a TKO. It's a self retirement. It's clearly different than a TKO. In standard boxing terms, it's not a 'stoppage' win. It's a corner retirement. If he was beaten into submission, then the ref would have jumped in during the round. Maybe that would have happened, but Oscar gave up before that.

A TKO, you get pulled out because you're basically about to be KTFO or too badly hurt to go on or your face is so ****ed up that you can't go on. It's anything other than a ten count that is stopped during the round. A retirement is just that. A fighter pulling out for whatever reason.

Oscar just couldn't do anything...he wasn't really getting badly hurt or anything, he was just too slow and drained to do anything and wasn't going to win, so he gave up.