Will Manny Pacquaio ever recover from his Floyd loss?

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  • imperial1
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    #121
    The guy fought sacred ,had to cheat ran and hugged ..I highly doubt he loses sleep over that ..

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      #122
      Originally posted by imperial1
      The guy fought sacred ,had to cheat ran and hugged ..I highly doubt he loses sleep over that ..
      Pac is suffering from recurrent nightmares from those hugs and kisses

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      • Zaroku
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        #123
        Originally posted by betmen


        What?! is Bambam rios not powerful enough? surely he is taylor made for pacquiao but facing dangerous man opponent like bambam after get KTFO in classic war is pretty daring,. you wont give hin credit for that?

        after rios come Bradley 2, it was good performance beating p4p fighter and elite young talent in a rematch, you wont give him credit for that either?
        Nope! No credit at all! Bambam is slow, stands in front of you, and can't deal with speed & power! Additionally he hates volume punches. Mobility bothers him more than it bothered PAC when Floyd beat him.

        Is that the best you can do? He should have fought Khan, or Maidana. Given Danny Garcia a shot!

        Bradley lost both fights, easily! Easy pickings!

        Algierie was a cherry picked guy! No power at all! He should have added Malinaggi!

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          #124
          Originally posted by Zaroku
          In my opinion, I believe Floyd fought damaged goods after he saw Marquez win. In my opinion early in his career he lost to Castillo. In my opinion, he is not TBE, and it is shameful to hear him say it!

          He will never be an ATG in my book.
          Floyd fought in a weak era, yet still didn't take risks with the opposition available. He has great skills but never took the risks that will put him high in the ATG rankings.
          Pac is a great fighter of course but Floyd fighting one ATG fighter, who unfornately was smaller than him and damaged goods.

          Yes Floyd lost to Castillo so that unbeaten record doesn't mean much to anyone who knows anything about boxing. If he took risky fights and challenged himself that is what historically impresses people.

          If Floyd fights GGG and surives 12 rounds and even losses to GGG, it will be notch of honour on Floyds belt and Floyd will move up even with a loss to GGG. If he beats GGG now that historically will impress historians. Nothing else Floyd has done really warrants too much respect.
          Last edited by hugh grant; 09-19-2015, 09:00 AM.

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          • Zaroku
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            #125
            Originally posted by hugh grant
            Floyd fought in a weak era, yet still didn't take risks with the opposition available. He has great skills but never took the risks that will put him high in the ATG rankings.
            Pac is a great fighter of course but Floyd fighting one ATG fighter, who unfornately was smaller than him and damaged goods.

            Yes Floyd lost to Castillo so that unbeaten record doesn't mean much to anyone who knows anything about boxing. If he took risky fights and challenged himself that is what historically impresses people.

            Thank you! Completely agree with you! Additionally Floyd "Money" threw money & paid fines to come in heavy against smaller guys. Very uncool!

            Broner was doing the same ****! Paying fines to fight smaller guys! Makes me sick!

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            • betmen
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              #126
              Originally posted by Zaroku
              Let me help you! He did not bounce back. He fought guys who don't hit hard! He could have chosen a puncher! Algierie?

              He should have added Malinaggi to his pre Floyd resume!

              My point is that he did not bounce back. That is your narrow view of his "bouncing back" statement!

              Please define what you believe "bouncing back" means? Beating soft opposition to help him get his confidence back? I look forward to read how you define 'bouncing back'

              And please while you are at it, can you believe beating easy opposition proves anything?

              My point of view is this, he has been Knocked out before, but he was young, hungry, and less distracted. The other two Knockout Losses, have nothing to do with the 3rd near death KO loss. Each event is a discrete event in both space and time. The illogical conclusion you want accepted is he always bounced back!

              Justify your very broad statement with support.
              of course it will be hard for pac to bounce back rightnow, just like i write in my earlier post i believe pac has reach past prime after margarito fight, you can see he has lost his killer insticnt in many fight after margarito.

              and what pac age rightnow 36?, 37? with style which rely heavily in speed, pace and stamina it will be extremely difficult for him. but for fighter who have numerous K.O loses and many wars he is doing really great bounce back from K.O 6.

              Originally posted by Zaroku
              Nope! No credit at all! Bambam is slow, stands in front of you, and can't deal with speed & power! Additionally he hates volume punches. Mobility bothers him more than it bothered PAC when Floyd beat him.

              Is that the best you can do? He should have fought Khan, or Maidana. Given Danny Garcia a shot!

              Bradley lost both fights, easily! Easy pickings!

              Algierie was a cherry picked guy! No power at all! He should have added Malinaggi!
              why you go to the detail on rios, i already admit bambam rios is taylor made for pacquiao. but it was comeback fight from brutal k.o and a year inactivity call it warm-up if you want but rios is still powerfull, young, hungry lion.

              on bradley case, i think the first fight is a toss-up. if you think pac won i can't argue with that. and i still think bradley is elite young talent and not easy opponent.
              Last edited by betmen; 09-19-2015, 09:17 AM.

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              • Bushbaby
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                #127
                Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                Sounds more like when Marquez knocked him clean out a few years earlier.

                Questionable whether he ever recovered fully from that.
                This tread was owned right here. How did it manage to go on so long?

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by betmen
                  of course it will be hard for pac to bounce back rightnow, just like i write in my earlier post i believe pac has reach past prime after margarito fight, you can see he has lost his killer insticnt in many fight after margarito.

                  and what pac age rightnow 36?, 37? with style which rely heavily in speed, pace and stamina it will be extremely difficult for him. but for fighter who have numerous K.O loses and many wars he is doing really great bounce back from K.O 6.
                  I think beating the crap out of margarito took a lot out of PAC! PAC had to be hospitalized after margarita, but he lost that killer instinct. He let algierie survive, etc.

                  Time to retire!
                  Last edited by Zaroku; 09-19-2015, 09:19 AM.

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                  • Zaroku
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by betmen
                    of course it will be hard for pac to bounce back rightnow, just like i write in my earlier post i believe pac has reach past prime after margarito fight, you can see he has lost his killer insticnt in many fight after margarito.

                    and what pac age rightnow 36?, 37? with style which rely heavily in speed, pace and stamina it will be extremely difficult for him. but for fighter who have numerous K.O loses and many wars he is doing really great bounce back from K.O 6.



                    why you go to the detail on rios, i already admit bambam rios is taylor made for pacquiao. but it was comeback fight from brutal k.o and a year inactivity call it warm-up if you want but rios is still powerfull, young, hungry lion.

                    on bradley case, i think the first fight is a toss-up. if you think pac won i can't argue with that. and i still think bradley is elite young talent and not easy opponent.

                    Bradley lost both! He is great at head butting his opponents! Ask Alexander about that! Manny had to stay away from the head butts more that the arm punches Bradley often throws!

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                    • betmen
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Zaroku
                      I think beating the crap out of margarito took a lot out of PAC! PAC had to be hospitalized after margarita, but he lost that killer instinct. He let algierie survive, etc.

                      Time to retire!
                      aaaahhh.... i still wanna see him fight.

                      at WW division rightnow i see thumann and brook with their's skill and psychall advantage could give manny difficult fight, assuming if they capable handling mental pressure in big fight of course.

                      Originally posted by Zaroku
                      Bradley lost both! He is great at head butting his opponents! Ask Alexander about that! Manny had to stay away from the head butts more that the arm punches Bradley often throws!
                      yes that's why i said bradley is not an easy opponent and bradley show he can handle pressure in big fight both in a war or tactical fight that's why i gave pac full credit for the win.
                      Last edited by betmen; 09-19-2015, 09:38 AM.

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