Comments Thread For: Sulaiman Sees Mayweather in Top Five of All-Time

[Eastcoast]

WBC gets 5% for every title defense. Mayweather has made Sulaiman a very rich man.

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World Boxing Council president Mauricio Sulaiman has ranked undefeated pound for pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. (49-0, 26KOs) as among the top five best of all-time in the intermediate divisions of boxing.

Last Saturday night, Mayweather officially retired after a lop-sided twelve round unanimous decision over former two-time champion Andre Berto who had lost three of his previous six fights.
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So, another boxing insider picks Mayweather as a top-5 ATG.

People will agree with Sulaiman, thinking that they are rubbishing Mayweathers TBE claim..... but not realising just how much praise they are heaping on Mayweather.

But yea top-5 all time..... I think maybe top-10, but even then..... ?

More likely top-15.

Which is fkn incredible.

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Unfortunately Sulaiman also sees eight other guys top five too.

yea

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I rank Mayweather 3rd on my All-Time List. He defeated more World Champions than any other boxer, He defeated 6x Hall of Famers (Cotto, Dela Hoya, Marquez, Pacman, Gatti, Mosley), and he defeated 3x Undefeated Boxers (Canelo, Hatton, Corrales). How is this Cherry Picking?

People forget Marquez was #3 P4P at the time....Mosley was #2 P4P....Canelo was consider a risk....Hatton was undefeated.

And don't give me they weren't in thier prime BS: Pacman fought Mosely and Hatton after they fought Mayweather and everyone gave him credit. Marquez KOed Pacman after the Mayweather fight. Cotto was the Jr MW Champion. Dela Hoya was his first fight at 154.

Leonard beat Hearns/Duran/Hagler +

I think that Mayweather would beat Leonard head-to-head..... but he never climbed the mountains that Ray climbed.

SRL > Mayweather.

[bxr2004]

Leonard beat Hearns/Duran/Hagler +

I think that Mayweather would beat Leonard head-to-head..... but he never climbed the mountains that Ray climbed.

SRL > Mayweather.

I Loved Leonard and I have him ranked #2, but I could easily move Floyd above SRL. Sugar fights in the 1980's were legendary but they also cost him some of his best years (his fan friendly brawls cost him a broken jaw and detached retna). Sugar only fought 10-times in the 1980s because of medical problems and retirements.

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Anyone tied to steriod use should not be on the list and this includes Holyfield Mosley Toney and of course Mayweather

" tied to " ?

Not caught, or found guilty ?

So, " tied to "..... obviously includes Pacquiao, right ?

Rethink on that ?

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Sulaiman is exaggerating placing Floyd at top 5 in boxing history. Certainly FMJ has been the best ever paid individual on the sport (there is no way to argue against that) besides being an elusive technician mastering excellent defense and also being very accurate. However, let's not forget that his 'undefeated' record is a fallacy since Floyd was beaten by Castillo in their first fight. To the credit of Mayweather he won clearly the rematch. There are other things that a more confident or ATG boxer wouldn't have to do such as not complying with the pact weight against JMM (he should have won the fight even without going through that) and similarly asking Alvarez to fight at a CW of 152 Pounds (Floyd also should have won that fight without asking for any advantage). And in the supposed fight of the century against Pacquiao, Mayweather also could have avoided the IV controversy since that incident only gave grounds to the loser to complain and try to discredit the result. Floyd should have also chosen a better opponent for what is supposed to be his last final fight. There were other actions which were less controllable since they occurred inside the ring such as the attempt of his uncle to attack Zab Judah (which should have been a DQ for FMJ) as well as the sucker punching against Ortiz (which made people think the fight was fixed).

[Haterfree]

The undefeated multiple division champ & future hall of famer Floyd Mayweater is the # 1 fighter of all time for having more d!(k riding racist haters than any fighter in history.

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This guy's a clown. ANYONE who claims Floydie as anywhere near TBE is delusional. It's like they're condoning PED use. Geez, where has this sport gone if we allow that? SMH

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Sulaiman is exaggerating placing Floyd at top 5 in boxing history. Certainly FMJ has been the best ever paid individual on the sport (there is no way to argue against that) besides being an elusive technician mastering excellent defense and also being very accurate. However, let's not forget that his 'undefeated' record is a fallacy since Floyd was beaten by Castillo in their first fight. To the credit of Mayweather he won clearly the rematch. There are other things that a more confident or ATG boxer wouldn't have to do such as not complying with the pact weight against JMM (he should have won the fight even without going through that) and similarly asking Alvarez to fight at a CW of 152 Pounds (Floyd also should have won that fight without asking for any advantage). And in the supposed fight of the century against Pacquiao, Mayweather also could have avoided the IV controversy since that incident only gave grounds to the loser to complain and try to discredit the result. Floyd should have also chosen a better opponent for what is supposed to be his last final fight. There were other actions which were less controllable since they occurred inside the ring such as the attempt of his uncle to attack Zab Judah (which should have been a DQ for FMJ) as well as the sucker punching against Ortiz (which made people think the fight was fixed).

Hmmm..... I agree with the bold, but I dont like your rationale.

You shoulda said, because Mayweather doesn't have enough significant career defining wins to overshadow some of the really great fighters throughout history.

I dont like any of the reasons you mentioned, they are all overblown or irrelevant. The only things that really count are career defining wins.

1) Mayweather beat Castillo, even Ali had disputed wins..... Pacquiao DID NOT win all of his fights with Marquez..... that issue is overblown, especially considering the genuine injury and the result of the IMMEDIATE rematch.

2) Mayweather did NOT miss weight against Marquez, he renegotiated the contract 2 weeks prior..... still lame, but then again so are catchweights, period..... the point is that Marquez was a lightweight..... well, throughout history many lightweights have fought welters, and many have won..... that issue is overblown, especially considering Marquez' results against Pacquiao.

3) The catchweight against Alvarez is a complete non-issue..... YES that fight should have been at 154, and yes the catchweight takes some shine off the win..... but a) Alvarez was originally willing to fight at 150, the weight he had been making for 3 years..... b) that catchweight made no difference whatsoever..... c) it pales in comparison to other catchweights initiated by other great fighters, just look at Pacquiaos catchweight record

4) the IV thing is a complete non-issue, and wont even be mentioned by historians..... it is the current fad topic, and waaay overblown.

5) with Zab, Mayweather was lucky alright, but the actions of his uncle cannot be attributed to him..... historians wont even mention that when considering Mayweathers greatness.

6) with Ortiz, Mayweather did exactly what he should have done, true greats would have been disappointed had Mayweather not put Ortiz away, that was superb on Mayweathers part..... he should be credited for that KO..... that issue is way overblown and will not be mentioned by historians

I agree with you that Sulaiman has ranked Mayweather too high..... but the only rationale for ranking fighters All Time is career-defining wins imho.

Mayweather doesn't have enough significant career defining wins to overshadow some of the really great fighters in history. He has the volume of wins, just not the quality..... that is no knock on Mayweather, his era did not provide the same opportunities.