Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[travestyny]

that 250 ml in 2- 4 hours was an emergency dehydrated case.

the example you gave was not for rehydration purposes but for hung over. that she needs to cure immediately in a matter of couple of hours.
and she was not an athlete with set of rules to follow.

it was done to alleviate hung over and "one of" the effects of drinking is dehydration., unlike Floyd's case where floyd is not doing IV because he has a headache and nausea brought about by drinking LOL.


wonder why you ignore the comment of a patient bleeding from her pelvic?

oh yeah, it does not served your agenda.

genius floyd fan and his logic

talking about the ears when the issue at hand is about the nose, on a premise that both ears and nose can be found in the head LOL

You are an absolute moron. If I showed proof that they can give IV fluids of 1 liter in 40 minutes, why the hell would they give 250ml in 2-4 hours in the case of an emergency?

Furthermore, how are you going to son yourself by saying the situation that I showed you is for a hangover, and then turn around and say "one of the effects of drinking is dehydration."

Lastly, do you even know what a pelvis is? The woman referred to at the "allnurses" website was a trauma patient. It's not important that she bleed out from her pelvis, which is why there was no need to show it to you, idiot. The point is that the proof shows even 1 liter can be dumped in at 5 minutes if need be.

Jesus. Don't even talk to me or mention me again. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE BIGGEST IDIOT WHO POSTS HERE! I'm sorry to say that, I really am. This has nothing to do with your English speaking ability. You simply are not bright.

[travestyny]

Ivs are only use in accordance to the wada code if and only there is sufficient proof an athlete cant drink orally.

Misinterpretation of the code. It states:

c. There is no reasonable The****utic alternative to the Use of the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method.


It doesn't say an IV is only allowed if the person can't drink orally. Are you trying to say it is only allowed in cases where the athlete's mouth is completely wired shut? What it states is clear, and that must be determined based on his medical condition.

Now please show proof that oral hydration was a reasonable alternative based on his medical records.

"For moderate or severe cases of dehydration, the body may not respond to attempts to rehydrate orally. A doctor, or emergency medical professionals, can decide whether IV rehydration is needed. Adults may become dehydrated from being sick or from exercising vigorously without drinking enough water."

Yep, you can't show it...because you don't have his medical records.

Silence..

Yep, that will be your response. Case closed.

[Spoon23]

To receive a TUE in accordance to wada rules: Did Floyd comply? What was the reason for severe dehydration?? To this day they hide the facts..

A. Medical history of an athletes background is checked. - does he always severely dehydrated? According to Floyd himself he has no problem making weight in the 147 division. -NOPE

A summary of the athletes history and the findings of a physical
examination should confirm the diagnosis and establish the need for an IV
infusion. A precise description of the clinical situation and specific medical
indication for the IV infusion must be given in the TUE application.
Note that if an IV infusion or injection is part of a clinical investigation,
surgical procedure or hospital admission, there is no requirement for a
TUE. The athlete is nevertheless advised to obtain and keep a copy of the
medical records from the intervention or procedure.

B. Diagnostic criteria
A clearly defined diagnosis should be established in accordance with the
International Classification of Diseases standards of the World Health
Organization ICD-10).
C. Relevant medical information
A detailed description of the substance to be infused, the rate of infusion
and any other relevant clinical information from the treating physician
should be included. It must be demonstrated why an alternative permitted
therapy, for example oral rehydration in case of dehydration, is not a valid
option. Any existing co-morbidities that would influence the decision for
granting a TUE should also be included.
TUE Physician Guidelines
Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs
INTRAVENOUS INFUSIONS
WADA - World Anti-Doping Program

THE SAFETY NETS ARE CLEAR

For transparency, what as the medical condition of Floyd to receive IV infusion? Up to this day no explanation. No reason for severe dehydration. No physician to clear the air.

If I was being pinned down as a cheat, the only way to save face is to show the world my condition. If i am innocent, I will be glad to bring this out in the open and request that physician who was their during my IV infusion to help me explain what happened to clear the air.

But..

Up to this day 10 months has past.

Nothing..

Floyd would rather look guilty than to clear the air and save himself.

Why? Coz he knows he can't defend it.

An obvious cover up happened. As you clearly have pointed out. He got away. Yes he did. Technicalities did. But still those cover up doesn't explain the big turd on top of Floyd's head.

This will be a big turd on Floyd's head for the rest of his life unless he clears his name and prove to the world his reasons for dehydration. If he has nothing to hide all it takes it to show proof of his severe dehydration, but as you can see 10 months has past he rather not.

[Rath]

Not true. There was no question asking if the fighter was in tip top shape. Very rare for anybody to go into a fight at 100%. The questionnaire asks very specific questions and "are you in tip top shape?" is not one of them.

This is one of countless examples of you trying to invent your own facts. I've asked repeatedly which question Floyd answered dishonestly. You can't name one. NSAC says Floyd did nothing wrong. Should I believe them or should I believe you when you're inventing questions that aren't on the questionnaire?

ok if tip top shape was not the right words, what do you get from floyd's pre fight medical form? does that prove he was dehydrated then?

and up util now you still can not prove with certainty that floyd was dehydrated


Fighters are typically drained before the weigh in. That's no reason to disqualify them from fighting. Floyd's condition worsened hours later and the issue was addressed. Nevada allowed IV rehydration for any reason whatsoever and it was common practice among most top fighters.

nobody said Floyd should be disqualified for being dehydrated at the weigh in, have you found something to the contrary?

how could his conditioned worsened hours later when he already drunk a lot of water mere seconds after the weigh in?

and for the nth time Nevada was not the testing agency but USADA.

Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed that USADA would have to decide if an IV was being used for rehydration or if it was being used for other purposes. USADA says Floyd did nothing wrong, which satisfies the voluntary agreement. The controversy is in your mind.

USADA testing was not voluntary floyd demanded it, the fight will push thru even without USADA fact.

the fact that USADA did not catch Pac doping proves to the whole world that Pac can pass even a "gold standard of testing" and is clean while on the other hand it was floyd who was caught doing IV LOL

You have no way of knowing that. You have no way of knowing any of the things that you say. But even if that was true, there is no reason to assume USADA lied about Floyd's condition.

USADA lied before with the 3 positive A samples of Floyd before, so there is a reason to asuume USADA would lie again.


DCO doesn't have to deal with dehydration. That is why retroactive TUE exists. DCO doesn't make the ruling. The medical records are turned over to USADA, statements from the medical personnel are turned over to USADA and USADA makes a ruling. They ruled that Floyd did nothing wrong. So did NSAC.

retroactive TUE exist because of the time constraint resulting from an emergency situation. do you think if floyd suffered the same dehydration 3 days after the fight was announced retroactive TUE is still valid?

your logic is flawed.

it was USADA DCO who declared Floyd was dehydrated not the phantom medical personnel. the phantom medical personnel you are talking about was there only to administer the IV, they did not diganosed Floyd. spin it LOL




Not true. Floyd & Manny were still subject to NSAC testing. Voluntarily taking extra tests doesn't excuse you from taking the required tests.

NSAC did not do any drug test to Floyd and Pac this is a false statement.


Nobody forced Manny to fight Floyd.

agree! in fact it was Pac who eagerly wants the fight because the fight can happen with or without USADA that is why you insisting it was voluntary was a BS. it was Floyd who was forced to fight Pac.


Like usual, you don't know what words mean. Floyd & Manny made a voluntary agreement

not everything you agree is necessarily voluntary, it can also be under duress.

. This is why your interpretaions are always so far off base. You don't understand the words that are being discussed.

you are the one who keep on trying to spin/divert/deflect things to make it look like i don't understand.


You don't know that. You have no idea what kind of determinations were made by the paramedic and why. Have no idea what Floyd's condition was. You have none of the information, but want us to believe you over the professionals that have all of the information, even though you barely understand the language, have no experience in the field and are extraordinarily biased.

i have provided you with facts, while you have provided us with blah blah blahs, it's secret this, ti's secret that, it's non disclosure this and non disclosure that.


No, it was USADA's timeline. And I've addressed your hilarious math several times already. It is reasonable to believe an IV was being administered at 7:45PM, but nobody said it STARTED being administered at that time. You just choose to ignore this information even though you've been told repeatedly.
what's hilarious was up until now you have not presented you own time line.
of what exactly happened from 1:45PM to 8:15 PM

you arefond of saying "reasonable to assume".

the assume reasonably about your time line LOL

waiting for your reasonable assumptions

[Spoon23]

And as we all know the reason for Froid's IV use as he and his team have mentioned was severe dehydration.

One must also question, is 750ml of saline and vitamins enough to clear severe dehydration?

The Answer is, NO, severe dehydration needs more than 750ml to clear a patient of severe dehydration.

So then why did he need only 750ml?

That's the red flag.

It wasn't for severe dehydration, but for something else.

A bottle of Pedialyte is even better than 1000ml of saline IVS.

Why IVS? Well we can conclude it's definitely not severe dehydration. It's for something else, that something else is not the reason why he did take IVS.

Red flags everywhere.

If you guys want to save your hero. Find the reason for severe dehydration. Last time I checked. A day before the fight. He was ready to tussle.

Diagnosed fit to fight by nsac doctor check!

Seen drinking and looking healthy and hydrated during the weigh-in. Check!

Verdict is out!

GUILTY BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT!



Looks ready and skin looks hydrated. Shiny and moisturized.

[Rath]

You are an absolute moron. If I showed proof that they can give IV fluids of 1 liter in 40 minutes, why the hell would they give 250ml in 2-4 hours in the case of an emergency?

it was a severely dehydrated patient and the situation was an emergency. doctor deemed 250 ml for 2-4 hours was an appropriate solution.

while your example was a woman who wants to cure her hang-over LOL

Furthermore, how are you going to son yourself by saying the situation that I showed you is for a hangover, and then turn around and say "one of the effects of drinking is dehydration."

how genius can you be really? do you even understand what you are talking about?

what is it in "one of" do you not understand? there could be tens of symptoms and one of them is dehydration. not the result of drinking is dehydration. LOL your logic is flawed.

that statement comes from your link too.

a hangover is a result of heavy drinking.

and symptoms includes:


Accelerated heartbeat
Anxiety
Bloodshot eyes
Body and muscle aches
Diarrhea
Dizziness
Halitosis (bad breath)
Headache
Hypersalivation
Flatulence
Lethargy, tiredness, fatigue, listlessness
Nausea
Photophobia (sensitivity to light)
Problems focusing or concentrating
Sensitivity to loud sounds
Depression (dysphoria)
Irritability
Moodiness
Stomachache
[COLOR="red"]Thirst[/COLOR]- or what you considere dehydration LOL
Trembling or shakiness, erratic motor functions
Vomiting.



Lastly, do you even know what a pelvis is? The woman referred to at the "allnurses" website was a trauma patient. It's not important that she bleed out from her pelvis, which is why there was no need to show it to you, idiot. The point is that the proof shows even 1 liter can be dumped in at 5 minutes if need be.

the keyword to all your contention of fast infusion is if need be you owned yourself

what was shown was that too fast infusion can result to that. your logic is flawed.

Jesus. Don't even talk to me or mention me again. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE BIGGEST IDIOT WHO POSTS HERE! I'm sorry to say that, I really am. This has nothing to do with your English speaking ability. You simply are not bright

there goes genius floyd fan again resorting to kindergarted insult when exposed of his flawed logic.
.

game set and match loser.

[Real King Kong]

but until now you even if you type "Floyd USADA drug test videos" non appear after he was caught delaying DCO for 6 hours, wonder why that internet magic does not work for floyd LOL

Hmmm...interesting. Why is floyd mayweather so important in your life? Seriously...post after post...thread after thread...month after month. Search yourself...and tell us why does this matter so much to you? You remind me of ocd people who rationalize their strange behavior even though it's clearly harmful to them, just to avoid the difficulty of facing reality.

[Rath]

Hmmm...interesting. Why is floyd mayweather so important in your life? Seriously...post after post...thread after thread...month after month. Search yourself...and tell us why does this matter so much to you? You remind me of ocd people who rationalize their strange behavior even though it's clearly harmful to them, just to avoid the difficulty of facing reality.

your logic is flawed.

Floyd and his genius fans are as important to me as they are to you.

for if Floyd is not important to you why even bother wasting your time supporting and defending him from me and the pacfans?

genius floyd and his logic LOL

[travestyny]

game set and match loser.

MY GOD, YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT, PERHAPS ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET.

First of all, I already proved that 1 liter IV can be infused even in 5 minutes. You never said you wanted specific proof that it can be done to treat only dehydration. That's idiotic. It's not like someone would take an IV for 250ml from 2-4 hours specifically because it is for dehydration, you idiot.

But because you are mentally ******ed, here, you moron. A clinic that gives IV's for various reasons, INCLUDING SIMPLY FOR DEHYDRATION. Have fun:


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NOW SHUT THE **** UP CLOWN.

[original zero]

ok if tip top shape was not the right words, what do you get from floyd's pre fight medical form? does that prove he was dehydrated then?

and up util now you still can not prove with certainty that floyd was dehydrated

Why didn't you look at the questionnaire in the first place instead of lying about what was on it? Floyd was not asked if he was dehydrated. 99% of non-heavyweights are dehydrated at weigh-ins.

IV rehydration has been very common in Nevada for decades and was 100% legal with no questions asked.

I don't have to prove that Floyd was dehydrated. The IV was legal regardless. You are the one making the very serious accusation that NSAC & USADA are completely corrupt and involved in a giant conspiracy. You have to prove your case. I don't have to prove anything.

And if NSAC & USADA are completely corrupt and involved in a giant conspiracy, why did Floyd even file for a TUE at all? Why wouldn't USADA automatically pass Floyd on all tests regardless? Your position doesn't make any sense.

nobody said Floyd should be disqualified for being dehydrated at the weigh in, have you found something to the contrary?

how could his conditioned worsened hours later when he already drunk a lot of water mere seconds after the weigh in?

and for the nth time Nevada was not the testing agency but USADA.

You're the one claiming that Floyd wouldn't have been cleared if he was dehydrated and therefore the fact that he was cleared means he wasn't dehydrated. You can't have it both ways. I'm just using your circular logic against you.

You continue to post the same false info over and over even after people have corrected you. USADA was hired to do additional voluntary testing. You still have to take and pass the NSAC tests as well.

You know absolutely nothing about how any of this stuff works and posts the same lies over and over and over. When you're corrected, you just ignore it and go right back to posting the same nonsense.

USADA testing was not voluntary floyd demanded it, the fight will push thru even without USADA fact.

the fact that USADA did not catch Pac doping proves to the whole world that Pac can pass even a "gold standard of testing" and is clean while on the other hand it was floyd who was caught doing IV LOL

You clearly don't know what the word voluntary means. You don't know what a lot of words mean. Which is why people feel it is a waste of time to try to discuss anything with you.

Nobody held a gun to their head. Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed to additional testing that was not required by NSAC.

Floyd was not "caught doing IV." USADA arrived hours before the infusion, witnessed his condition, witnessed the paramedic being called, witnessed the paramedic administering the infusion.

All legit. All within the rules.

USADA lied before with the 3 positive A samples of Floyd before, so there is a reason to asuume USADA would lie again.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support that. There were baseless and sourceless "internet rumors" that USADA gave Floyd an inadvertent use waiver. Whatever forum troll made that up must have been pretty ****** because under USADA there is no such thing as an inadvertent use waiver.

Hauser mentioning the rumor doesn't make it true and it ended up making Hauser look really ****** for not realizing there's no such thing as a USADA inadvertent use waiver.

The bottom line is that you're upset that HBO house fighter Manny Pacquaio lost and so you bought into a bull**** "report" written by HBO house writer Thomas Hauser, even though the report has been debunked and Hauser was forced to issue a correction.

retroactive TUE exist because of the time constraint resulting from an emergency situation. do you think if floyd suffered the same dehydration 3 days after the fight was announced retroactive TUE is still valid?

your logic is flawed.

it was USADA DCO who declared Floyd was dehydrated not the phantom medical personnel. the phantom medical personnel you are talking about was there only to administer the IV, they did not diganosed Floyd. spin it LOL

If Floyd was dehydrated three days after the fight was announced and medical personnel thought IV rehydration was appropriate immediately, he would do it immediately and ask for an exemption.

It wouldn't make any sense to wait days or weeks for approval. At that point, it'd be too late.

You have no idea who declared Floyd dehydrated or if that was even the official diagnosis. You don't know anything at all. You have none of the information. Those with all of the information say the use was legitimate.

NSAC did not do any drug test to Floyd and Pac this is a false statement.

All voluntary drug testing is SUPPLEMENTAL. Fighters still must take and pass NSAC tests. You have no idea what you're talking about.