Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Dosumpthin]

What are the facts of this case?
1. He took a 750ml IV
2. It was approved by USADA
3. It couldn't mask tests taken the next day.
4. He gave a partial urine sample before the IV.
5. He passed 19 drug tests.

6. Nsac does not ban iv For rehydration.
7. Floyd did not need a tue for nsac.




Let's keep it going and add some more facts.

[mathed]

[original zero]

6. Nsac does not ban iv For rehydration.
7. Floyd did not need a tue for nsac.




Let's keep it going and add some more facts.

1) IVs were not illegal according to NSAC and have been used routinely in Vegas fights for decades.
2) NSAC, not WADA or USADA, was the sanctioning authority in this fight.
3) USADA was hired to do testing and, in the case of conflict, the contract superseded WADA protocols.
4) The contract allowed TUEs and retroactive TUEs, and allowed notification after TUE approval.
5) No advantage was gained by the IV, it was rehydration done in the presence of USADA and independent medical personnel.
6) No masking of PEDs was possible since CIR testing done before and after the IV came back negative.
7) The CIR testing also blows any speculation about T:E ratios out the water since synthetic testosterone would be detected.

[Spoon23]

1) IVs were not illegal according to NSAC and have been used routinely in Vegas fights for decades.
2) NSAC, not WADA or USADA, was the sanctioning authority in this fight.
3) USADA was hired to do testing and, in the case of conflict, the contract superseded WADA protocols.
4) The contract allowed TUEs and retroactive TUEs, and allowed notification after TUE approval.
5) No advantage was gained by the IV, it was rehydration done in the presence of USADA and independent medical personnel.
6) No masking of PEDs was possible since CIR testing done before and after the IV came back negative.
7) The CIR testing also blows any speculation about T:E ratios out the water since synthetic testosterone would be detected.

Says a Fl0mo who's paid to write this lol

[Dosumpthin]

1) IVs were not illegal according to NSAC and have been used routinely in Vegas fights for decades.
2) NSAC, not WADA or USADA, was the sanctioning authority in this fight.
3) USADA was hired to do testing and, in the case of conflict, the contract superseded WADA protocols.
4) The contract allowed TUEs and retroactive TUEs, and allowed notification after TUE approval.
5) No advantage was gained by the IV, it was rehydration done in the presence of USADA and independent medical personnel.
6) No masking of PEDs was possible since CIR testing done before and after the IV came back negative.
7) The CIR testing also blows any speculation about T:E ratios out the water since synthetic testosterone would be detected.

Take a look pact@rds. These are what facts look like. This isn't speculation or rumors. These are facts.

[Spoon23]

Hydrating orally..

Such a thirst quencher! Hydrates you in no time!

[original zero]

Hydrating orally..

Such a thirst quencher! Hydrates you in no time!

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/fight-doctor--the-physiology-of-dehydration-and-best-way-to-rehydrate-without-an-iv

The reason MMA athletes have gravitated towards IV hydration is that they only have 24 hours before the fight, and with IVs in one to two hours they immediately feel better. When they feel better quicker, they have more time to mentally prepare instead of feeling terrible the day before sometimes the biggest fight of their careers. If you have never been severely dehydrated before, it’s an absolutely terrible and evil place. The dehydrated body lives in world similar to the body aches and lethargy of influenza, and the mind experiences the ripping headache/light sensitivity and inattentiveness of a proper hangover. Now imagine feeling this way the day before a fight.

The oral re-hydrator has to drink, sometimes several liters of rehydration liquid, before they feel the same effects. This could take hours, or even half a day. Boxing and wrestling are the only other major sports to expect its athletes to endure these constraints.

[Zaroku]

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/fight...-without-an-iv

The reason MMA athletes have gravitated towards IV hydration is that they only have 24 hours before the fight, and with IVs in one to two hours they immediately feel better. When they feel better quicker, they have more time to mentally prepare instead of feeling terrible the day before sometimes the biggest fight of their careers. If you have never been severely dehydrated before, it’s an absolutely terrible and evil place. The dehydrated body lives in world similar to the body aches and lethargy of influenza, and the mind experiences the ripping headache/light sensitivity and inattentiveness of a proper hangover. Now imagine feeling this way the day before a fight.

The oral re-hydrator has to drink, sometimes several liters of rehydration liquid, before they feel the same effects. This could take hours, or even half a day. Boxing and wrestling are the only other major sports to expect its athletes to endure these constraints.

Great post!!! Thanks.

But what about the Manny, in slow motion knocking out everyone!!

With the right shakes, correct socks, proper channel to God, nobody beats him!

The LGBT, Nike, pact@rds, everyone on there knees worshiping super PAC

Spoon, can this crap end?

[ADP02]

Does that mean less are doping? Could be.

Does it necessarily mean that USADA's methods are unworthy? Furthermore, does it mean that Floyd Mayweather was using PED's? Nope.

They use statistics and history to gauge how they are doing. With taking that into account, they estimate that even with advancements, they still only catch a small percentage. How many have USADA caught in boxing? Not many.


USADA was helping Floyd mask. It goes against what they even preach!

They do not even have to catch them with PEDs. If they find out that they were masking, its still a violation even without knowing what the PED was that they were trying to mask. We know that Fluid was using an IV which masks. With weight being stable, there was no reason for an IV. So if not then why get an IV?

Not sure what this waving thing is. Hello By the way, you mention he rehydrated to 149. Was he back to his normal walking around weight? What do you think? I personally don't think so. Furthermore:

If it was someone like Canelo or one of those that rehydrates 20lbs and did not, I would certainly be on your side but that is not Floyd. Still, walking weight is not training weight. When you are in training, often you are in much better shape and lose the fat and so on. Not hard to understand.

Floyd's walking weight is close to his weight training weight but like I said, you do not go by that. You assess it the way studies have stated and so has USADA.

But since this is your determining factor, not mine, I will post a separate post that may tilt you to and say, "Floyd, WTF ... you are not helping us trying to get you out of this IV scandal mess"

"For moderate or severe cases of dehydration, the body may not respond to attempts to rehydrate orally. A doctor, or emergency medical professionals, can decide whether IV rehydration is needed. Adults may become dehydrated from being sick or from exercising vigorously without drinking enough water."

"The type of fluid solution required is determined by a medical professional. It usually depends on a patient’s age, existing medical conditions, and severity of dehydration."

http://www.healthline.com/health/intravenous-rehydration#Risks5

"For moderate or severe cases of dehydration, the body may not respond to attempts to rehydrate orally. A doctor, or emergency medical professionals, can decide whether IV rehydration is needed. Adults may become dehydrated from being sick or from exercising vigorously without drinking enough water."

http://www.healthline.com/health/intravenous-rehydration#Risks5

I agree to this for the most part but the good part about Floyd is that we have his weight before and after. Often we do not get this type of data. So they just go with clinical signs which is not as accurate.

Secondly, we saw that Floyd was drinking orally and his weight after that was around the weight that he walked in on fight night. Floyd was walking and many said that he was ready to beat Manny up. Even KO him (lol)

Also Floyd did not say it was due to a sickness. Floyd just said it was due to training, giving urine and blood. Floyd was not coming back from any rigorous exercise, gave blood 10 days before and giving urine, well its all a lie! but as I stated, his weight was relatively stable. Science is science!!!


Floyd also said walking back to his car after the weigh in that he had to even go bet on basketball and did. Was this really a guy in an emergency type situation as would be required to get an IV? Plus if Floyd did all that, I'm sure that he was drinking and eating after the weigh in as well.


but remember:
"The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after
exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."

I already responded about Lance. No need to go there anymore. But, if you'd like to read up about EPO and micro-dosing, I'd suggest you go here:

"Improved detection of EPO in blood and urine based on novel Velum SAR precast horizontal gels optimized for routine analysis"
http://www.dyeagnostics.com/site/wp-...wenke_2015.pdf

but Floyd was allowed to mask!!!

I will also say more about this in a separate post.

[ADP02]

You have so much patience with these kids. Having to argue with them like a merry go round that never ends takes patience and understanding.

Your wisdom is infinite. For that I salute!

Thanks!