Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[b00g13man]

A retroactive TUE counting as prior approval = a bunch of legal horse ****. The point of requiring prior approval is being circumvented.

It sounds like you are missing the point of a TUE to some extent. It is to explain the circumstances of the use of a prohibited substance or method as something that was necessary and why a non-prohibited alternative was not acceptable. A TUE isn't something you get to explain an unacceptable use of something prohibited, it's what you submit to explain that there was an acceptable circumstance for the use of something prohibited.

The WADA guidelines state that a TUE is required for infusions at ALL times. Including those in medical situations and even in medical emergencies. Actually, like I said above that's the point of a TUE. To demonstrate that the treatment is being done for medical reasons. A TUE being written with an explanation that the fluids were received during a hospital admission is an example of a TUE you would expect to get approved, because of how their rules are written. A TUE being written with the explanation that the fluids are for rehydration is one you would expect NOT to get approved, again given how their rules are written.

It isn't up to USADA and NSAC to prove that the IV wasn't warranted. As per the USADA guidelines, it's up to Floyd to demonstrate that it was warranted. But the problem is that they accepted a reason that they state explicitly is not acceptable. Rehydration is written specifically as an unacceptable reason for IV fluids. But they are looking past that, because as I mentioned earlier, they are full of it.

That's the exact definition of "retroactive". I'm surprised so many people don't know that.

We can have a debate about whether or not retroactive TUEs should exist, but that's a story for another day. They do exist. He did get one. Case closed.

[BrometheusBob.]

That's the exact definition of "retroactive". I'm surprised so many people don't know that.

We can have a debate about whether or not retroactive TUEs should exist, but that's a story for another day. They do exist. He did get one. Case closed.

I edited my post. The point about retroactive or not was far from the bulk of my argument. Most of the argument had to do with the fact that the TUE was approved under circumstances that they explicitly say are unacceptable. The timing is not even the worst part.

[b00g13man]

I edited my post. The point about retroactive or not was far from the bulk of my argument. Most of the argument had to do with the fact that the TUE was approved under circumstances that they explicitly say are unacceptable. The timing is not even the worst part.

Where's the proof it wasn't warranted? What was Floyd's condition? Have you got the answers to these questions?

If you don't, you can't make blanket statements that "rules were broken".

[GTTofAK]

I edited my post. The point about retroactive or not was far from the bulk of my argument. Most of the argument had to do with the fact that the TUE was approved under circumstances that they explicitly say are unacceptable. The timing is not even the worst part.

Him not addressing it was no accident.

[mathed]

A retroactive TUE takes effect from a date in the past, making it "prior approval".

What's the definition of an appropriate "medical setting"? What prevents a home from being one, as long as it's administered by a medical professional? The WADA guidelines state that a TUE is required for infusions outside hospital admissions etc. He got one.

Do you have some evidence of his "scenario" that proves an IV wasn't warranted. I'd like to see it if you do.

Ultimately, you've made some assumptions, and arrived at a decision. Doesn't really sound like "justice" if you ask me.

"That's what these other fighters don't understand, I'm always around my fighting weight so the weight I train at is the weight I am in the ring. Some of these other guys have to cut weight and that's not good for the body, I don't need to do that." - Floyd Mayweather

[GTTofAK]

Where's the proof it wasn't warranted? What was Floyd's condition? Have you got the answers to these questions?

If you don't, you can't make blanket statements that "rules were broken".

The proof is that severe dehydration is defined as a loss of body weight greater than 10%. We know Floyd's weight 2 weeks before the fight we know his weight at weigh in. He was not suffering from severe dehydration.

You have already put your foot in your mouth when you agreed that if Floyd had loss more than 10% body weight he wouldn't have been able to fight.

[BrometheusBob.]

Where's the proof it wasn't warranted? What was Floyd's condition? Have you got the answers to these questions?

If you don't, you can't make blanket statements that "rules were broken".

Zero people involved have denied that the TUE was for rehydration purposes. In fact, Mayweather and Ellerbe have been vocal about the fact that it was for rehydration. Before Hauser was in the picture, Iole reported the same volume and mixtures and the same listed purpose on the TUE.

If it is the case that the TUE was approved under cirumstances that they would normally approve, ie Mayweather had been hospitalized or etc, then I'll take back what I said.

[torosboxing75]

I can't believe people are still trying so hard to defend this. 90% of boxing fans know the truth.

[torosboxing75]

good thing i saved it...


the stuttering and constant pointing to Ellerbee is priceless

Priceless! LMAO! They had the nerve to mention blood being taken as one of the reasons for Floyds IV looooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!
The irony!!!

[Robbie Barrett]

His camp has already stated he was dehydrated. Since severe dehydration is defined as a loss of 10% body weight and he weighed in well prior to the fight at about 150 we know he was not suffering from sever dehydration. As such the claimed level of dehydration can be at most mild to moderate for which treatment with an IV is banned by WADA and also bared from any TUE.

It goes by the % of water not body weight. A 400lb man (probably an American) doesn't have to lose 40lb in fluid to be severely dehydrated.