Post Mayweather/Berto How Will the Boxing Landscape Change?

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    Wlad deserves to be p4p #1 with Floyd gone, especially if he beats Fury, but:
    1. Old school US/UK boxing journalists would never let that happen.
    2. He's a heavyweight and when a heavyweight is p4p #1 we start to ask what the point of the list even is.

    So the consensus will likely be Roman short term, then Kovalev/Ward will build up a p4p rivalry and make the list relevant again.

    147 is a house of cards waiting to topple. So many of these guys are not that special but were prematurely hyped as "the anti-Floyd". Without Floyd around people will take a more honest look at 147 and be fairly underwhelmed.

    154 is likewise a vacuum. Floyd was never really the man there - the best fighter perhaps but you can't call a guy who took 2 catchweight bouts the man in a division without extrapolating. Canelo needs to drop the gimmick and admit he's a middleweight, he usually fights heavier than Golovkin.

    Not sure if there will be a new public enemy on that level. It will be hard to find that delicate recipe of an extremely talented boxer who is also extremely boring, beats his family members, films his own racial rants, collects tacky $2,000,000 cars and wears women's horse jockey pants. Most of those flamboyant guys are Broner types who flash in the pan then lose focus and get KTFO. They rarely stick around as long as Floyd. He was a very different, highly disciplined person as soon as he laced up.

    New face of the sport?? It will split geographically and ethnically like it always does. Let's not forget, pre-fight, Floyd spend his best days as "that other guy" while Pacquaio was the face of the sport, always being interviewed on latenight TV and namedropped in MMA.

    Canelo recovers a lot of fans who abandoned him without Floyd in the picture. Crawford gets Floyd's fans and any potential Crawford opponents are immediately hyped until the division seems stacked (147 effect). GGG remains about where he is. Dark horse: Tyson Fury could become very popular in the UK if he does the impossible. They have a strong fanbase but are going through a bit of a dryspell lately, having to choose between the likes of Khan and bumbeater Brook.
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    • Eff Pandas
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      #12
      Originally posted by Golden Boi 360
      what if Berto wins? lol

      the chaos would be sick
      If Berto wins, they need to investigate Mayweather to make sure he didn't throw a mill or 3 on Berto at those 80/1 or w/e odds. Mayweather might could make more than he got in the Pacquiao fight if he dropped this fight & bet on himself. Could probably do something like get himself DQ'd too to have a lesser impact on his undefeatability. Obviously I like a conspiracy doe lol.

      I think if Mayweather lost he's DEFINITELY fighting again & we got Mayweather vs Berto II in May or September.

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        #13
        why is pacquiao even in discussion?

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          #14
          Originally posted by Bushbaby
          How would Amir Khan be the man to beat at 147?
          Probably involves taking a monkey wrench to a lot of 147lbers ACL's.

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            #15
            Originally posted by BertoRollin'

            Who is the new #1 p4p?
            Andre Ward or Lomachencko

            Originally posted by BertoRollin'
            Who is the man to beat at 147?
            Kell Brook & Keith Thurman

            Originally posted by BertoRollin'
            Who is the man to beat at 154?
            Don't see how this applies to Floyd at all.

            Originally posted by BertoRollin'
            Who will be public enemy #1?
            Still Floyd for a while. Will slowly move towards Terence Crawford/GGG - But definitely Fury if he wins against Wlad.

            Originally posted by BertoRollin'
            Who will emerge as the new face of the sport?
            Anthony Joshua

            Originally posted by BertoRollin'
            Who is the next superstar to emerge?
            Anthony Joshua / Errol Spence Jr

            Originally posted by BertoRollin'
            And most importantly, will we finally start to see fights being made from 140-154?
            Probably not. I haven't seen any intention from Al Haymon to match his top guys against each other yet. People say "don't complain" etc. But why?

            It might be on free tv, does that make these fights better?:

            Thurman v Collazo / Diaz
            Garcia v Malignaggi / Salka
            Khan v Algieri
            Lara - Rodriguez

            Just to name a few.

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              #16
              I think GGG, Kovalev and Gonzalez will all be contenders for the pound for pound king and Spence will become the best 147 pounder. I know many will disagree but that's my answer to your question. I think the welterweights might be better off without Mayweather. The best welterweights may start fighting each other instead of being so afraid to lose and blow a possible Mayweather fight.

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                #17
                Originally posted by LacedUp
                Don't see how this applies to Floyd at all.
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                He's the only legitimate title holder in that division. Once those belts free up we should start to see fights being made and unifications happening. Even if he hasn't campaigned at the weight he's held up activity and killed opportunity within the division.

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                  #18
                  I think Canelo will KO Cotto and compete as a middleweight. If Canelo returns to 154 he will be the best at 154. If he can make 154.5 and be strong then he can make 154 and be strong. He can't be right at 152 because those last two pounds are a killer for him. With Canelo at 160 Lara is the best 154 pounder in the world.

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                    #19
                    Berto will be the new p4p #1 after stopping Floyd

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Cruisin'
                      Wlad deserves to be p4p #1 with Floyd gone, especially if he beats Fury, but:
                      1. Old school US/UK boxing journalists would never let that happen.
                      2. He's a heavyweight and when a heavyweight is p4p #1 we start to ask what the point of the list even is.

                      So the consensus will likely be Roman short term, then Kovalev/Ward will build up a p4p rivalry and make the list relevant again.

                      147 is a house of cards waiting to topple. So many of these guys are not that special but were prematurely hyped as "the anti-Floyd". Without Floyd around people will take a more honest look at 147 and be fairly underwhelmed.

                      154 is likewise a vacuum. Floyd was never really the man there - the best fighter perhaps but you can't call a guy who took 2 catchweight bouts the man in a division without extrapolating. Canelo needs to drop the gimmick and admit he's a middleweight, he usually fights heavier than Golovkin.

                      Not sure if there will be a new public enemy on that level. It will be hard to find that delicate recipe of an extremely talented boxer who is also extremely boring, beats his family members, films his own racial rants, collects tacky $2,000,000 cars and wears women's horse jockey pants. Most of those flamboyant guys are Broner types who flash in the pan then lose focus and get KTFO. They rarely stick around as long as Floyd. He was a very different, highly disciplined person as soon as he laced up.

                      New face of the sport?? It will split geographically and ethnically like it always does. Let's not forget, pre-fight, Floyd spend his best days as "that other guy" while Pacquaio was the face of the sport, always being interviewed on latenight TV and namedropped in MMA.

                      Canelo recovers a lot of fans who abandoned him without Floyd in the picture. Crawford gets Floyd's fans and any potential Crawford opponents are immediately hyped until the division seems stacked (147 effect). GGG remains about where he is. Dark horse: Tyson Fury could become very popular in the UK if he does the impossible. They have a strong fanbase but are going through a bit of a dryspell lately, having to choose between the likes of Khan and bumbeater Brook.
                      what 2 catchweight bouts?

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