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  • FeFist
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    #51
    Originally posted by madsweeney
    20 lbs? Is this Floyd stan math?!? 154 - 145 = 9lbs, not 20. And no, he doesn't get more credit, they get about the same, however, it is considered one of Floyds best wins, not Pac's.

    You claim I don't know **** about the sport yet where were you before the fight when everyone was saying it was a complete mis-match in favor of DLH? His plan backfired and Pac was there and ready to take advantage.

    Cotto would lose to Manny at any weight, its a bad style for him and no matter what weight, Manny will take away Cotto's greatest strength, his jab and left hook.

    154 Oscar that Floyd fought would have likely lost to Pac as well for the same reason he lost at 147. A converted orthodox won't give Pac issues, especially an over-the-hill who has issues with speed and can't pull the trigger. You need a good right hand to keep a prime Pac in check, neither Cotto or Oscar had that in their tool kit in their peak, let alone when Floyd fought them.
    He might be looking at how much they weighed on the night of the fight. I don't know how much Oscar weighed against Mayweather but against Pacquiao he only rehydrated to 148lb.

    I was happy when Pacquiao whipped Oscar into retirement; I didn't think it would happen as he cherry picked a much smaller opponent. That being said people are lying to themselves if they believe Oscar was fresh that night: it is clear that he drained himself, had issues regaining weight, and was not fresh when the bell rang.

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    • Reloaded
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      #52
      Originally posted by madsweeney
      20 lbs? Is this Floyd stan math?!? 154 - 145 = 9lbs, not 20. And no, he doesn't get more credit, they get about the same, however, it is considered one of Floyds best wins, not Pac's.

      You claim I don't know **** about the sport yet where were you before the fight when everyone was saying it was a complete mis-match in favor of DLH? His plan backfired and Pac was there and ready to take advantage.

      Cotto would lose to Manny at any weight, its a bad style for him and no matter what weight, Manny will take away Cotto's greatest strength, his jab and left hook.

      154 Oscar that Floyd fought would have likely lost to Pac as well for the same reason he lost at 147. A converted orthodox won't give Pac issues, especially an over-the-hill who has issues with speed and can't pull the trigger. You need a good right hand to keep a prime Pac in check, neither Cotto or Oscar had that in their tool kit in their peak, let alone when Floyd fought them.
      Yeah near on 20 lbs Oscar weighed over 165 against Floyd on the night and he was 147 against Manny on the night , he had not been 147 on fight night since he was a LW in 95 , with Manny he was deadman walking needing IV fluids to gain 2 pound , wake up .

      Oscar that fought Floyd would have ran Manny over do you even think for one second what a year earlier coming of a big KO and 20lbs in weight would do to that fight , he looked like crap against Steve Forbes making 150 which he didnt even make for crying out loud , my god go learn about this stuff buddy because youre talking sht .

      Cotto would murder Manny at 154 why do you think Manny refused to fight him without another CW , same man isnt it < Manny knows its not .

      Like I said mate you have no clue about weight , to you it dont matter you just see the fight and think oh Manny was a beast, but that beast without draining CWs cant stop anyone , ah thats right he found god lol how gullible are you .

      Go look at Oscar with Manny , look at the snap on punches strength resistance and intensity then go look at 154 Oscar , there is world of difference and it beats me how you cant see it .
      Last edited by Reloaded; 09-04-2015, 04:53 PM.

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        #53
        This is news that only 10 boxing fans on the planet care about. Pacquaio lost all of his fair weather fans on the BoxingScene message board after the Mayweather loss. Those fans are now worshipping at the alter of GGG. Pacquaio's next PPV against Terrance Crawford will probably have fewer buys than the GGG/Lemieux fight.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Reloaded
          Yeah near on 20 lbs Oscar weighed over 165 against Floyd on the night and he was 147 against Manny on the night , he had not been 147 on fight night since he was a LW in 95 , with Manny he was deadman walking needing IV fluids to gain 2 pound , wake up .

          Oscar that fought Floyd would have ran Manny over do you even think for one second what a year earlier coming of a big KO and 20lbs in weight would do to that fight , he looked like crap against Steve Forbes making 150 which he didnt even make for crying out loud , my god go learn about this stuff buddy because youre talking sht .

          Cotto would murder Manny at 154 why do you think Manny refused to fight him without another CW , same man isnt it < Manny knows its not .

          Like I said mate you have no clue about weight , to you it dont matter you just see the fight and think oh Manny was a beast, but that beast without draining CWs cant stop anyone , ah thats right he found god lol how gullible are you .

          Go look at Oscar with Manny , look at the snap on punches strength resistance and intensity then go look at 154 Oscar , there is world of difference and it beats me how you cant see it .
          165? really? Fight night weights were not available for that fight for either fighter and DLH usual fight night weight @ 154 is around 158-160. Once again, you're math is off. IV for 2lbs of re-hydration, sounds like FLoyd against Pac but he was fine (obviously, DLH wasn't)

          And no, just no, DLH was way over the hill. He had one fight the year before and before that...almost two years earlier. Dude was done and woulds got beaten up by that Pac that showed up IMO, no way for either of us to prove it, we disagree.

          Again with Cotto, no point arguing, bad style for him even at 154, there was no demand for the fight and you really think Cotto would have beaten pac without the coach that was making him successful at that weight?!? Again, opinion, no proof, I'm basing my opinion on knowing the fighters, not just the weight. Cotto's jab was nullified and didn't have the right hand that would cause Pac issues. May have gone the 12 but I doubt he would have the right gameplan without Roach in his corner (who would know all of Cotto's habits for Pac)
          Last edited by madsweeney; 09-04-2015, 05:19 PM.

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            #55
            Originally posted by madsweeney
            165? really? Fight night weights were not available for that fight for either fighter and DLH usual fight night weight @ 154 is around 158-160. Once again, you're math is off.

            And no, just no, DLH was way over the hill. He had one fight the year before and before that...almost two years earlier. Dude was done and woulds got beaten up by that Pac that showed up IMO, no way for either of us to prove it, we disagree.

            Again with Cotto, no point arguing, bad style for him even at 154, there was no demand for the fight and you really think Cotto would have beaten pac without the coach that was making him successful at that weight?!? Again, opinion, no proof, I'm basing my opinion on knowing the fighters, not just the weight. Cotto's jab was nullified and didn't have the right hand that would cause Pac issues. May have gone the 12 but I doubt he would have the right gameplan without Roach in his corner (who would know all of Cotto's habits for Pac)
            Thats right no point arguing youre just another idiot spinning spin .

            Bad style lol never mind the difference of drained vs strong as a bull , I can tell you have never set foot in a boxing ring .

            And Oscar was either 164 1/2 or 165 1/2 it was said during the telecast Floyd was 150 , also said during the telecast , do you realize what that really means as opposed to Oscar being 147 and rung out like prune .
            Last edited by Reloaded; 09-04-2015, 05:23 PM.

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            • madsweeney
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              #56
              Originally posted by Reloaded
              Thats right no point arguing youre just another idiot spinning spin .

              Bad style lol never mind the difference of drained vs strong as a bull , I can tell you have never set foot in a boxing ring .
              Non sequitur wins arguments, sorry, I forgot. You do know bulls get manhandled by 130lb men with a cape. Strategy and execution > a few lbs.

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                #57
                Originally posted by madsweeney
                Non sequitur wins arguments, sorry, I forgot. You do know bulls get manhandled by 130lb men with a cape. Strategy and execution > a few lbs.
                Jump into a boxing ring and you will see what a few pounds does when the fighters are anywhere near equal .

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by big_james10
                  This is news that only 10 boxing fans on the planet care about. Pacquaio lost all of his fair weather fans on the BoxingScene message board after the Mayweather loss. Those fans are now worshipping at the alter of GGG. Pacquaio's next PPV against Terrance Crawford will probably have fewer buys than the GGG/Lemieux fight.
                  and you're one of those Pacquiao fans since you care enough to post.

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                  • nacho daddy
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Realboxingfan1
                    Got ktfo by Marquez,didn't do sshhhtt against jr. Can't win the big fights anymore ,steroids is a hell of a drug.
                    yeah marquez was really juiced for the last fight with manny

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                      #60
                      I think Pac has 1 more great performance left in him, no more than 1 tho. The recent greats have all had that last great performance when they were 36-37yrs old, where everything skillwise just came together. Mayweathers last great showing was against Canelo IMO, Froch was Groves bouts, Martinez last great perfirmance came against JCCjr . Pac should give the fans that last fairwell, i say against Garcia or Crawford.

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