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  • Eff Pandas
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    #101
    Originally posted by PunchyPotorff
    Catchweights, coming in way overweight (vs JMM), ducking, refs in pocket, not fighting fighters in their prime.... all valid reasons to criticize him.

    There would be no criticism from me and most others if he'd taken on all comers at the right time.
    The refs in his pocket thing is a bit much. I think in general refs are ******* for the elite or name guys so any perceived advantage you feel Mayweather got from a ref is pretty much the same advantage any elite or name guy gets. Hell I've seen refs be ******* at club shows cuz they don't wanna get booed for stopping a fight or breaking the action too much. Refs are a interesting bunch in that way. Plus refs aren't perfect. They are gonna miss some **** too beyond the elite or name guy advantage.

    The ducking thing is a bit much too. When you look at the actual timeline none of the ducking bs flows with the way things were or were going at that time. Williams was notable for 4-5 months at 147lbs for real. He was hyped by HBO for most of his other 147lb fights. Margarito woulda happened if Mayweather wasn't as smart or had less ambitious goals. Roach has already confirmed the Pacquiao fight not being made was his sides fault in retrospect. With how Williams & Margarito's careers went, neither a HOF guy, I don't see what those wins woulda added to Mayweather's resume except different guys Mayweather would've been claimed to have ducked ("Why didn't Mayweather ever fight Judah or Hatton? He scared")

    And I can understand the not fighting fighters in their prime thing, but this isn't that 70's & 80's version of boxing. Not many cats are fighting a bunch of fighters in their prime these days. And the reality is Mayweather was asking for & not getting those prime guys cuz of TR & cuz guys had better offers at the time. De La Hoya didn't want any. Mosley didn't want any. And those might be the two best guys he didn't fight at the best time cuz those guys didn't want the fight at the best time from Mayweather's POV.

    The overweight issue in the Marquez fight was maybe Mayweather's most unprofessional moment, but being that he'd been out of the ring for awhile & probably less in tune with his body I see it as a forgivable sin & I don't think it made an inch of difference in the outcome which is an angle people always seem to skip over.

    The catchweight stuff you either care about or don't care about. I usually don't care about it much (seemed a lil dumb for Garcia vs Peterson but w/e if fighters agree to it they agree to it), but I can understand people who do care about it so fair enough with that. I'd say get used to it doe, cuz I think its here to stay & there will only be more of it in the future. Don't blame it on Mayweather doe. Ray Leonard made it cool back in the 80's when he "diva'd" his way to two titles in different weight divisions in one night vs Lalonde way before Pacquiao, Mayweather & Cotto took advantage of catchweights in high profile fights decades later.

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      #102
      Originally posted by wlliam
      Well Winky was signed and ready to go at 154, Floyd pulled out of that fight bcuz face it, that was a dumb move on his part. Floyd wouldve been going up 2-3 divisions to face the Champ. Remember thats when all the big names didnt want no parts of FMJ? So the Winky fight was a bad boxing move for Floyd at the time..whether you consider it a duck or not. As for Martinez, i see no reason FMJ couldnt fight him. That was a big fight late 2010-2011 when he was coming off the Williams2 KO/FOTY campaign. Had those fights happened at 154 i believe it wouldve happened..Williams i dont consider a miss bcuz he hadnt beaten anybody that qouldve made him a good win for Floyd.
      Yeah I'm not to overly critical regarding the Williams fight ,he wasn't that seasoned and actually had some questionable gifts when he was going up and down in weight ..As far as the Wright fight he could,have fought him I mean he currently holds a jr mw belt now ..I really think he thought he would actually lose that fight and that's the real reason he pulled out I mean look who he ends up fighting ..The Martinez fight was very realistic as he would have conceded and give Floyd the lion's share and would,have fought him at 154 ..That was a clear missed opportunity for sure ..

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        #103
        Originally posted by SniXSniPe
        He's criticized with Pacquiao because the fight happened 5 years late.

        He's criticized with Canelo because of the 152 catch weight.

        He's criticized with Maidana because of the, "running" and "hugging". Let's be real though, Kenny Bayless did a **** job that second fight in regards to the clinching. Still, it's just an excuse to hate on him because he's been fighting this way for years now. The last reason below is my opinion on why he's hated on a lot.

        He's criticized because he's undefeated and not a, "people's champ" kind of guy. People like to see the, "good guy" come out on top. Mayweather has a record of domestic violence, and showboats his money consistently. Not exactly people's vision of the way a hero acts.



        I don't know what criticism he received for Cotto/Mosley/Hatton, though. Probably the Hatton fight for acting like a diva with the whole landing before Hatton does thing.
        Hes criticized because he has retired every time his division has gotten hot, and only come out of retirement when things cooled down.

        He is criticized because he dictates every term to his own advantage, from the ring size, to the gloves, to the weight... and picks his own challengers instead of facing the consensus best.

        Question. Did anyone think Maidana was the best fight from 154-147 for the 1st fight?

        Not really... Floyd gave us the choice between Maidana and Khan. Absent is the option of him facing a real threat to his zero like Lara.

        He moved Marquez up from 135, a division he only had 2 fights in, up to a "142lb catchweight" That Floyd then made no attempt to make, and pretended never existed, coming in at the full WW limit.

        Its just a whole string of farcical fights he has had. Berto is hopefully the last time the sport will be put through these shenanigans.

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          #104
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          The refs in his pocket thing is a bit much. I think in general refs are ******* for the elite or name guys so any perceived advantage you feel Mayweather got from a ref is pretty much the same advantage any elite or name guy gets. Hell I've seen refs be ******* at club shows cuz they don't wanna get booed for stopping a fight or breaking the action too much. Refs are a interesting bunch in that way. Plus refs aren't perfect. They are gonna miss some **** too beyond the elite or name guy advantage.

          The ducking thing is a bit much too. When you look at the actual timeline none of the ducking bs flows with the way things were or were going at that time. Williams was notable for 4-5 months at 147lbs for real. He was hyped by HBO for most of his other 147lb fights. Margarito woulda happened if Mayweather wasn't as smart or had less ambitious goals. Roach has already confirmed the Pacquiao fight not being made was his sides fault in retrospect. With how Williams & Margarito's careers went, neither a HOF guy, I don't see what those wins woulda added to Mayweather's resume except different guys Mayweather would've been claimed to have ducked ("Why didn't Mayweather ever fight Judah or Hatton? He scared")

          And I can understand the not fighting fighters in their prime thing, but this isn't that 70's & 80's version of boxing. Not many cats are fighting a bunch of fighters in their prime these days. And the reality is Mayweather was asking for & not getting those prime guys cuz of TR & cuz guys had better offers at the time. De La Hoya didn't want any. Mosley didn't want any. And those might be the two best guys he didn't fight at the best time cuz those guys didn't want the fight at the best time from Mayweather's POV.

          The overweight issue in the Marquez fight was maybe Mayweather's most unprofessional moment, but being that he'd been out of the ring for awhile & probably less in tune with his body I see it as a forgivable sin & I don't think it made an inch of difference in the outcome which is an angle people always seem to skip over.

          The catchweight stuff you either care about or don't care about. I usually don't care about it much (seemed a lil dumb for Garcia vs Peterson but w/e if fighters agree to it they agree to it), but I can understand people who do care about it so fair enough with that. I'd say get used to it doe, cuz I think its here to stay & there will only be more of it in the future. Don't blame it on Mayweather doe. Ray Leonard made it cool back in the 80's when he "diva'd" his way to two titles in different weight divisions in one night vs Lalonde way before Pacquiao, Mayweather & Cotto took advantage of catchweights in high profile fights decades later.
          The thing about the marquez weight issue that makes it so disgraceful is that its very clear they never intended to fight at 142, and tried to claim 142 was never in the contract, it was always a welterweight fight...

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