Doug Fischer tells me why he puts PAC n Hopkins over money this era and all time

[The Big Dunn]

Nah . Oscar had bigger fish to fry in his prime.
Shane did as well. He had bigger opportunities.
Floyd didnt beg manny.

He created road blocks.
Dont get one sided because your racist. .
At some point you gotta think 10 misses is a pattern.

Oscar fought the best at their best. His resume is undeniable.

ODH didn't have bigger fish to fry, he chose not to fight Floyd. Shane had a toothache, that isn't bigger fish to fry. Manny didn't want to take random drug testing.

I get it, you don't like Floyd and will not give him credit so you are ok with them waiting to fight him because it allows you to denigrate Floyd's victories.

Just imagine if any of them had the guts to fight Floyd when they were prime? All 3 surely would have done better, which would have made Floyd fight better. Maybe we'd have gotten some classic fights.

Maybe they'd have even won, although I doubt it.

[therealpugilist]

pac was moving up two weight classes for the first time in his career (only had one fight at lightweight) when he fought oscar. oscar tried to cherry pick the much smaller pac. all of the media was saying manny was a complete underdog and didn't stand a chance too.

and floyd is naturally bigger than hatton easily. floyd is taller, has a longer reach, more accustomed to fighting at 147, he definitely weighs more on fight night then we're lead to believe.

I go off facts.... Height doesn't equate to size
How could Floyd have been more accustomed to welterweight when Floyd had only 7 fights @ 140 or higher n hatton was there his entire career?


Thats Like saying hearns was bigger than hagler cause he was taller....hearns started at 147, was taller with smaller frame and less dense bones....much like mayweather vs hatton


Underdog or not.... If you know anything about boxing dropping down to a weight you haven't made in over 7 years isn't good...he looked like he was sick bro....that **** was a side show. Odlh was in no condition to fight especially at that level...he was a dead man...he would've lost to Mosley, cotto, Margo n every other elite we at that time like that....why do you think he didn't fight Floyd @ 147 in the first place?

[imperial1]

Floyd didn't even have the balls,to face Manny in his prime ..F.He never faced an atg in their prime and hand picked basically almost every opponent ever since he moved up,to 130 ..Its hard to give him so much credit when he just waited for guys to,get old or lose a step ..I have no issues with anyone ranking Manny over Floyd .

[TX_BOXNG]

Manny was impressive early his career he had great match ups, he beat Barrera, all close fights vs Marquez, he lost to prime Morales

Mayweather would go thru all those fighters undefeated, with clear wins

Mayweather is above Manny in ATG list

B-hop lol yea hes impressive, but not above Floyd lol, hes embarrassing losses to Chad Dawson, he might be higher than Pac but not than Floyd, hes lost in every primed form in stages thru out his career early and late

[Divine Hammer]

I go off facts.... Height doesn't equate to size
How could Floyd have been more accustomed to welterweight when Floyd had only 7 fights @ 140 or higher n hatton was there his entire career?


Thats Like saying hearns was bigger than hagler cause he was taller....hearns started at 147, was taller with smaller frame and less dense bones....much like mayweather vs hatton


Underdog or not.... If you know anything about boxing dropping down to a weight you haven't made in over 7 years isn't good...he looked like he was sick bro....that **** was a side show. Odlh was in no condition to fight especially at that level...he was a dead man...he would've lost to Mosley, cotto, Margo n every other elite we at that time like that....why do you think he didn't fight Floyd @ 147 in the first place?

height, reach, AND fighting at a higher weightclass makes u bigger than a guy who has a smaller height, reach and fighting at a lower weight class hhahahahahahahaha get a clue seriously. it's not hard to understand. i'm not just taking into consideration height u dunce. there are a lot of factors that make a fighter bigger than the other, and floyd was much bigger than ricky hatton. again, not hard to understand.

and sure u can say dela hoya was finished at that point, but dragging up a fighter TWO WEIGHT CLASSES FOR THE FIRST TIME after he only had ONE fight at lightweight, is just as bad as moving down to a weightclass u haven't fought in years. at least dela hoya had fought at 147 before, manny never fought above lightweight before. that's just the truth. so it evens itself out in that respects.

[IMDAZED]

A lot of people, including myself, had Manny rated higher around 2009. But at this point, folks like Doug are in the minority and it's reflected in all the recent pound for pound rankings popping up.

[Divine Hammer]

Manny was impressive early his career he had great match ups, he beat Barrera, all close fights vs Marquez, he lost to prime Morales

Mayweather would go thru all those fighters undefeated, with clear wins

Mayweather is above Manny in ATG list

B-hop lol yea hes impressive, but not above Floyd lol, hes embarrassing losses to Chad Dawson, he might be higher than Pac but not than Floyd, hes lost in every primed form in stages thru out his career early and late

that's all hypothetical. barrera, morales and marquez are farrrrrrrr more skillful than castillo and corrales. morales used to beat up floyd in sparring, a prime 130 marquez was far more quicker, better reaction reflexes than the bloated mess that floyd fought. barrera would have beaten floyd too.

[Divine Hammer]

Floyd didn't even have the balls,to face Manny in his prime ..F.He never faced an atg in their prime and hand picked basically almost every opponent ever since he moved up,to 130 ..Its hard to give him so much credit when he just waited for guys to,get old or lose a step ..I have no issues with anyone ranking Manny over Floyd .

yup. thats been floyd's plan since the beginning. he can say he beat cotto, manny, mosley, dela hoya, etc. but none of them were at their best prime physically and mentality.

floyd's not TBE or ATG legend and he never will be. when u think of a TBE ATG u think of ali who took BIG RISKS throughout his career, same with leonard, robinson, duran, etc. what one win of floyd's will be as legendary as ali KO'ing foreman????? maybe if floyd KO'ed a prime pac?? or KO'ed a prime GGG??? but we know floyd never takes these type of risks. he's a coward not TBE.

[therealpugilist]

that's all hypothetical. barrera, morales and marquez are farrrrrrrr more skillful than castillo and corrales. morales used to beat up floyd in sparring, a prime 130 marquez was far more quicker, better reaction reflexes than the bloated mess that floyd fought. barrera would have beaten floyd too.

Now that made me die laughing


When Floyd, corrales, freitas and casamayor

Was @ 130 none of them moved up...morales got his titles from pbf leftovers n struggled w/ famoso Hernandez n Jesus Chavez

Barrera, morales, PAC, jmm were all taking losses if they moved up when they were @ 130


Barrera gets ktfo by freitas n corrales

[TX_BOXNG]

that's all hypothetical. barrera, morales and marquez are farrrrrrrr more skillful than castillo and corrales. morales used to beat up floyd in sparring, a prime 130 marquez was far more quicker, better reaction reflexes than the bloated mess that floyd fought. barrera would have beaten floyd too.

Barrera beating Floyd is hypothetical, but lol he doesnt he wins a clear decision, same as Morales n Marquez

Castillo would of gave Manny hell n might even beat him, but i doubt it

After Mannys good lower class run, who did he beat in prime, Manny has had great match ups but no great wins, his greatest wins are over Cotto, Barrera,n Tim Bradley twice

Cotto, Barrera were weird match ups at the time, but still decent wins, he beat a prime Bradley took an undefeated primed tested champion in Bradley took his 0