Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Pacquiao Built By Media, Never on My Level

[Divine Hammer]

If this is what you need to do to make yourself feel better, fine with me. Manny wasn't far past his prime when he turned the fight down either time.

BLah, blah blah you have no idea what Manny was thinking or willing to do. All we know is what he did-turned the fight down in his prime.

Thanks for the correction-yuri foreman. He was an actual 154lb champion whilst Margs was 0-1-1 at 154 when Manny fought him at 151 for the JMW title.

There is a reason Manny avoided Floyd, zahir and Yuri. I have a theory why. It may be wrong. What is clear is Manny avoided boxers who could fight from distance.

Manny turned down $40 mil (no ppv) to fight JMM a 4th time INSTEAD of fighting Floyd. That was the 3rd time in his rime that he avoided Floyd before he got KTFO in addition to walking away in 09 and unneeded stiches in 2012.

Its obvious Manny fought Floyd when he realized the fight earniings were at their peak. He never dared to face the best of his generation in his prime nor ever facing a true "stylistic nightmare" in Yuri or Zahir as he climbed divisions.

Is what it is. Manny controlled when he fought Floyd. He chose to wait.

- i had no idea what manny was willing to do????? hahahahahahahaha it was open and clear to everyone that manny was willing to negotiate with the cut off dates. but floyd wanted none of it. i mean his idea of testing isn't better either since THERE IS A CUT OFF DATE FOR HIS TESTING (it doesn't go on for the entire year u know like REAL OLYMPIC TESTING).

- he was wba regular and only standout win was against santos hahahahahahaha. again, margarito was still MUCH BIGGER AND STILL DANGEROUS (he still was able to really hurt and beat up pac), on top of being a BIGGGGG NAME. plus how good is foreman really???? he was ko'ed easily against a way past prime and bloated cotto. i mean a shot one eyed margarito was still able to push cotto in their 2nd fight. and if it wasn't for the bad eye he might have really got to cotto in the later rounds.

- and that was a lousy deal. manny was still one of the biggest stars in boxing if not the biggest at the time. give me a break. $40 million flat fee no ppv. dont u floyd fans hate on manny for not being business savvy???? hahahahahahah give me a break and u want him to accept that lousy deal. floyd want complete blood testing no cutoff and want to take the majority of the money for what would be considered the biggest money fight of this era!!!!!!

- and manny never wanted to face a true stylistic nightmare????? ummm does a prime 126 and 130 marquez ring a bell????? manny has taken FARRRR MORE RISKS THAN UR HERO. he fought sasakul at the age of 19 malnourished and still living in complete poverty. he fought ledwaba on 2 weeks short notice, he moved up to 126 for only the first time to fight #3 p4p barrera, etc. etc. hahahahahahahhaaha give me a break. zahir????? foreman????? hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaahahahah

[Left Hook Tua]

pac was never on Floyd level he was managed well and took opponents when they were at a down fall

******. cotto is the one made by matchmaking.

pac's greatest wins he was underdog.

from sasakul to ledwaba to barrera.

he didn't even have a top promoter.

jotto was made by getting set up for vacant belts.

[Divine Hammer]

The ring is a magazine, not a sanctioning body so no they don't outweigh anyone. Still no mention of that vacant WBC silver belt he won below the JMW limit against a fighter who had been Ko'd and set out for a year for cheating.

they are far more credible than any of these sanctioning bodies. they started handing out these belts as alternative to the corruption of these sanctioning bodies. the ring belt is still considered MORE PRESTIGIOUS than any of these other alphabet belts and u know it!!!!

ring belt >>>>> everything else

manny is the first 4 weight lineal champ and 7-8 weight world champion. deal with it punk.

[Divine Hammer]

Dela Hoya? u really consider this a legit win? give me a break! Dela Hoya moved down a WHOLE weight class to fight Pacquiao at 147, a weight he hasn't made in 7 years! the man looked like a holocaust victim at the weigh in, just like Morales before his rematch with Pacquiao, it was also a past prime version of Dela Hoya who's coming off a loss, same with Hatton, who was also coming off a KO loss to Mayweather.

Did Pacquiao fight prime Cotto? prime Margarito? prime Williams? absolutely not! Margarito had just gotten KTFO into another dimension by Shane Mosley and Cotto had just gotten his face cut up a year earlier by Margarito and he looked like **** against Clottey, a fight where many people thought he lost, none of Pacqioao's opponents were ranked at the top 3 at WW when he fought them, even Cotto wasn't, from whom he won his "legendary" 7th world title.

Marquez was also moving up in weight to fight Pacquiao in the 3rd fight and he beat Pacquiao, Marquez was ranked #2 P4P when he moved up to fight Floyd and he lost every round, and Floyd did that before Pacquiao, Floyd fought Mosley coming off the biggest win of his career against Margarito and he was the WBA champ, ranked number 2 at WW and #3 P4P by the ring magazine, and Floyd beat him 11-1 and in a more dominant fashion than Pacquiao, who kept on missing for the 2nd half of the fight and this was also before Pacquiao fought Mosley, who was coming off the ****tiest performance of his career against Sergio freaking Mora! then u had Ortiz who was the WBC champ, ranked #3 by the ring magazine, then Cotto, not coming off a loss at a catchweight, but coming off the biggest win of his career and a champion at the weight he chose, then Guerrero who at the time was the interim WBC champion, #3 WW by the ring and was ranked P4P I don't remember where, then Canelo, lineal champ, #1 at 154 by the ring, ranked P4P, 13 years age advantage, didn't win more than 2 rounds, then Maidana, WBA champion, ranked top 5 at WW, coming off the biggest win of his career against Broner, then Pacquiao, the number 2 P4P guy in the world and the #2 WW in the world.

THERE IS NO COMPARISON! u can compare the 2 since 2003 till 2008, but since 2009 it's clear who accomplished more and who fought and beat much better opposition.

the truth is manny accomplished far more than ur hero and was in far more upset wins, fight of the year wins type fights than ur hero. thanks to manny boxing was reinvigorated in the 2000s while floyd was off in "retirement" somewhere. the 2000s belong TO MANNY.

and 2009 belonged to manny. manny was fighter of the year 2009, according to ring and bwaa. KO'ed hatton cold, and beat up cotto while fraud mayweather dragged up a lightweight up two weightclasses for the first time hahahahahahahahahaha.

[The Big Dunn]

- i had no idea what manny was willing to do????? hahahahahahahaha it was open and clear to everyone that manny was willing to negotiate with the cut off dates. but floyd wanted none of it. i mean his idea of testing isn't better either since THERE IS A CUT OFF DATE FOR HIS TESTING (it doesn't go on for the entire year u know like REAL OLYMPIC TESTING).

- he was wba regular and only standout win was against santos hahahahahahaha. again, margarito was still MUCH BIGGER AND STILL DANGEROUS (he still was able to really hurt and beat up pac), on top of being a BIGGGGG NAME. plus how good is foreman really???? he was ko'ed easily against a way past prime and bloated cotto. i mean a shot one eyed margarito was still able to push cotto in their 2nd fight. and if it wasn't for the bad eye he might have really got to cotto in the later rounds.

- and that was a lousy deal. manny was still one of the biggest stars in boxing if not the biggest at the time. give me a break. $40 million flat fee no ppv. dont u floyd fans hate on manny for not being busienss savvy???? hahahahahahah give me a break and u want him to accept that lousy deal. floyd want complete blood testing no cutoff

- and manny never wanted to face a true stylistic nightmare????? ummm does a prime 126 and 130 marquez ring a bell????? manny has taken FARRRR MORE RISKS THAN UR HERO. he fought sasakul at the age of 19 malnourished and still living in complete poverty. he fought ledwaba on 2 weeks short notice, he moved up to 126 for only the first time to fight #3 p4p barrera, etc. etc. hahahahahahahhaaha give me a break. zahir????? foreman????? hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaahahahah

Manny walked away dude. Nothing you can do to change that fact. Stop trying to justify it.

Margs was not worthy of a 154 lb title shot. He got the spot because he worked for TR. who cares if he was a bigger name, foreman was much better at 154.

Yes, he made a good business decision. The fact still remains he had 3 chances to fight Floyd when prime,before he got KTFO by JMM and refused each time. Tells me he was never confident he could beat Floyd (bob surely wasn't) and that's why he waited to fight him.

You can try and justify it however you wish but it doesn't change a thing-he didn't fight Zahir, yuri or Floyd when he was prime when he had the chance to. Maybe he would've won had he taken those risks. But he didn't.

He may have had a better chance to beat Floyd if he had experience against long armed boxers, not just bigger come forward duds like clottey and marg.

His decision. Factor this in just like you do for every other time a fighter avoids an opponent he should face instead of blaming the guy Manny avoided.

[-Antonio-]

Before it was the steroids and now it's the media. When Manny walked through Hatton, Oscar, and Cotto I know that Floyd was worried. He'd be lying if he said any different.

[Bronx2245]

The media is definitely responsible for the Pacquiao phenomena. When Manny beat De La Hoya @ 147, he got more props than when Floyd beat De La Hoya @ 154. When Manny beat Margarito @ 150, he got more props than Floyd beating Canelo @ 152. When Floyd beat Mosely after Mosely had KO'd Margarito, Manny got more props for beating Mosely much later, who was coming off a loss. He refused testing, and Floyd was vilified instead of Manny. All the talk was "why won't Floyd fight Manny?" instead of "why did Manny refuse random blood testing." Dan Rafael did his part, and asked Arum "why were you considering fighting in May, and then when Floyd got a continuance, suddenly Pac is not prepared to fight in May?" When Manny kept saying "I signed the contract," and then Koncz had to admit to that "there were no contracts," the perception that Floyd was not trying to make the fight continued! Even when Floyd fought Maidana, he caught more flak than when Manny fought Algeri! And now the story is Manny was injured before the fight, even though his team indicated Manny was NOT injured! What would be the story if Floyd lost and claimed to be injured?

[techliam]

Unjustified comment, if all he is basing that on, is beating a 2015 Pacquiao

[hectari]

In reality Floyd may weather is the greatest media phenom and hype job.

Well you never fought him when he was a beast. Hid behind steroid accusations, went on vacation when they agreed to drug testing, blamed bob arum, waited for him to get knocked out, then got exposed when you did business with arum, went to manny hotel after talking trash for years praising him, using psychological tactics that work on the born again pacman like saying we both have families we don't have to hurt each other to give the fans a great show, and all I have is boxing you have losses and people still love you, etc.

one thing you gotta give Floyd credit for and his dumb fans think you are dissing him, but live in denial is he knows how to pick fighters and at the right time so he can't lose, he also loves to project. It's why he is never going to lose he was able to have so much power to pick and choose and manipulate so he can make the most money while brainwashing suckers to call him the best ever, classic con man, and he still couldn't whoop pacquiao impressively, i expected Floyd to outdo Marquez, all the Floyd fans said pac will be hit all night and it will be a gate situation.

[Dean_Razorback]

media also build you up floyd, or what do you think SHOWTIME is doing with you? the same HBO did with all those 24/7 episodes.