One thing about PBC is weekends without boxing are rare

[Cinci Champ]

so i was thinking all the back and fourth about if pbc is bad or good or whatever. We all know that in the year or so building up to pbc haymon matched his fighters beyond weak to make names. PBC has had its share of mismatches but to be fair no more then any other promoter or network. But pbc is also making more good matches then people want to admit for whatever reason. Cruz vs Mares is a hell of a fight broner vs porter was great guerrero vs thurman no complaints. you never know whats going to happen in the ring but as far as trying to make big fights pbc is trying. The reason I write this thread is all we hear about are what people dont like about pbc and people try to even make the good things pbc does look bad for whatever reason. PBC is good in many ways think about it look what HBO has done since PBC took off. They are putting on better fights cause of competition. Ya you have Kovalev and GGG still fighting mismatches but GGG is now fighting Lemieux a fight i think makes perfect sense. even if ggg should fight ward it wont be till after he fights winner canelo cotto anyway. But my point is pbc is also making the other networks and promoters better. HBO and even the promoters look at the fights gbp has been making trying to stay relevant. If you guys think all this is happening by chance you are not paying attention. Also some people will argue that to much boxing is a bad thing im not one of them. I could care less if such and such fight has low ratings cause people are boxed out. For boxing fans the more fight cards on tv the better. Now im sure this will turn into a back n fourth but I hope people can see where im coming from. PBC is not near as bad for boxing as people say and in my opinion its good for boxing in more ways then meets the eye

[Larry the boss]

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the **** fights on Friday night fights

[Cinci Champ]

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the **** fights on Friday night fights

i agree there is no question the bias in boxing is ridiculous. now im not saying mayweather should of fought berto but for example berto is an entertaining fighter very entertaining but for whatever reason he doesnt fit the mold of brawler entertaining fighter types. There are so many examples of how fighters are treated with different standards. some fighters fight bums and all u hear are excuses they duck someone avoid a purse bid so be it while others are never forgiven for the smallest things. I hate to think its a race issue. Im white I dont even listen to rap etc etc but from my point of view It just seems like the ones that get the benefit of the doubt are white and the ones who dont are black. Now i would like to believe its not a race issue and maybe its not but it at least would make sense. People saying the pbc hate being cause of cherry picked fights just dont add up. Every promoter cherry picks for their fighters every single one. I just honestly dont get it. PBC obviously did a lot of show cases building their fighters names but now they are making good fights. The hate makes no sense to me what so ever I honestly dont get it. I find it hard to believe its all because he works with mayweather. Granted it plays a role. I dont know its just the pbc is one best things to happen for hardcore boxing fans in this era. The fact people want to see it fail just because they dont like haymon shows to me that some fans enjoy the drama of the sport more then the actual sport.

You also got arum who is one dirtiest promoters who has ripped off fighter after fighter fought in house for years made showcase after showcase but for whatever reason he is held to a different standard and people defend him rather then hate him. that right there makes absolutely no sense to me. Why is arum defended but haymon hated. Maybe you are right its strictly because he promotes pac and haymon works with mayweather but im starting to think its deeper then that

[SeekDaGreat]

I'm all for it. It's great as a fan. The issue is the showcasing. I dont want to see any of that and I'm sure no other boxing extremist does either.

[ИATAS]

I don't see the link between PBC's existence and HBO putting on good cards. HBO has always had high profile fights. If anything HBO's quality has decreased because of a lack of fighters to choose from. Regarding Golovkin, he isn't fighting Lemieux because HBO is forcing him because the PBC is around. He's fighting Lemieux because Lemieux is down to fight him on PPV. Golovkin fought Martin Murray earlier in the year and lets not forget Golovkin would be fighting Cotto right now but Cotto chose Daniel Geale and now Canelo. Prior to that he would have fought better opponents as well if there were middleweights willing to step up.

It's also worth noting that there was a mass exodus to Haymon/PBC. So HBO's talent pool is much smaller now. They work with non-Haymon guys only (k2, main events, Top Rank, etc). HBO has the smallest "roster" of fighters they've ever had since showing boxing. If PBC didn't exist, it's safe to assume HBO would have a much wider range of fighters on their network, but as it is now they are limited.

It's also worth noting we aren't getting any HBO vs PBC fights, like GGG vs Quillin/Jacobs/Lara, Stevenson vs Kovalev, Rigondeaux vs Santa Cruz/et al, Lomachenko vs Santa Cruz/et al, and so on and so forth.

PBC is both good and bad in that regard. Good that boxing is consistently on TV across tons of networks. That's awesome. Bad because they havent put up consistently good fights (match making kinda sucks) and because of the HBO vs Haymon fued mentioned above.

Hopefully the matchmaking improves. I don't know if Richard Schaefer is still going to join PBC whenever he is free to do so, but if/when he does I reckon we'll start to see a better product.

[Tom Cruise]

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the **** fights on Friday night fights

Im not a PBC hater, but FNF wasnt taking a huge chunk of the worlds top level boxers and telling them they could only fight on FNF.

[Tom Cruise]

For me at least, Haymon hasnt been as aggressive as I thought he might be in terms of matchmaking. The fights havent been terrible by a long shot, but they havent been great either.

He might be waiting for some of his guys to build a bit of 'PBC momentum' before matching them so Im willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Bigg Rigg]

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the **** fights on Friday night fights

It's not only because he's associated with Mayweather. Haymon be doing made scumbag **** bro. You know this too.

[TexasGunslinger]

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the **** fights on Friday night fights

Exactly. I'm here to watch fights not pick sides and moan about who's delivering them. Pumped for LSC vs Mares.

[Cinci Champ]

I don't see the link between PBC's existence and HBO putting on good cards. HBO has always had high profile fights. If anything HBO's quality has decreased because of a lack of fighters to choose from. Regarding Golovkin, he isn't fighting Lemieux because HBO is forcing him because the PBC is around. He's fighting Lemieux because Lemieux is down to fight him on PPV. Golovkin fought Martin Murray earlier in the year and lets not forget Golovkin would be fighting Cotto right now but Cotto chose Daniel Geale and now Canelo. Prior to that he would have fought better opponents as well if there were middleweights willing to step up. But thats where im coming from when i say different standards. All sides match making needs improvement the one going above and beyond is oscar but i feel hes doing it cause he has no choice i mean what choice does he have really? hes got 3 fighters people care about

It's also worth noting that there was a mass exodus to Haymon/PBC. So HBO's talent pool is much smaller now. They work with non-Haymon guys only (k2, main events, Top Rank, etc). HBO has the smallest "roster" of fighters they've ever had since showing boxing. If PBC didn't exist, it's safe to assume HBO would have a much wider range of fighters on their network, but as it is now they are limited.

It's also worth noting we aren't getting any HBO vs PBC fights, like GGG vs Quillin/Jacobs/Lara, Stevenson vs Kovalev, Rigondeaux vs Santa Cruz/et al, Lomachenko vs Santa Cruz/et al, and so on and so forth.

PBC is both good and bad in that regard. Good that boxing is consistently on TV across tons of networks. That's awesome. Bad because they havent put up consistently good fights (match making kinda sucks) and because of the HBO vs Haymon fued mentioned above.

Hopefully the matchmaking improves. I don't know if Richard Schaefer is still going to join PBC whenever he is free to do so, but if/when he does I reckon we'll start to see a better product.

no question the thing we were scared of most tho that haymon wouldnt let his fighters enter purse bids has been shown to hold no water. if both sides were at least willing to enter purse bids it wouldnt be so bad but ya no question that is one thing that is not good. but lets be honest look at arum and oscar they went on a media campaign talking about ending the cold war and they still dont make fights together hardly at all none meaningful at least that i can think of. But thats kinda where im coming from the match making is improving on pbc side and no credit is given the different standards is what gets me. you got a guy like arum who has been showcasing and fighting in house as long as i can remember and you dont hear the same bashing towards arum.