The mystique of Floyd Mayweather

[Fearless Angel]

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages if you’re lazy as **** and don’t like to read don’t complain that I didn’t warned you, this is a long thick ass thread. And of course if you’re not down with that I got two words for ya, SUCK IT!!!


First I wanna say that I’m not a Floyd Mayweather hater. I’m not one of those idiots that wishes he gets ko’d every time he fights. I believe that he’s definitely TBE for the way he promotes himself outside the ring, the amount of money he’s able to generate every time he fights and because he beat the system.


He didn’t let these greedy promoters and managers **** around with his money, and for that, God bless him. I wish more fighters would make the same amount of money he makes. I hope he’s smart with his money so he can take care of his family for generations to come.


I also don’t hate his style of fighting, I like watching the art of defensive fighters move around in the ring, slipping, sliding and blocking punches because not everybody can do that. People think that’s easy to do but it isn’t.


That requires a lot of energy, great instincts, great footwork, great reflexes and a lot of practice and repetitions in the gym. Plus you leave the sport with your health intact because at the end of the day people don’t give a **** about you. The media and fans are not going to pay your bills and take care of your family when you retire.


Now I make this thread because I’ve never seen a fighter here in the US (Las Vegas) get so much respect from the judges and the media like Mayweather does. Obviously Mayweather is the hometown fighter every time he fights in Vegas and he has all the advantages fighting there. It’s no different than a foreign fighter fighting in his own country during his entire career.


You can tell how confident he’s of getting the decision after having a tough fight. The only two times I saw concern in him was in the DLH and Canelo fights. Obviously DLH was the lead promoter in their fight and the CJ Robs scorecard in the Canelo fight was atrocious.


When Mayweather fights in Vegas everybody wins the casinos, hotels, etc. because he attracts a lot people to his events and he generates so much money for the city. He fights, he wins and everybody leaves happy with a big pile of cash. Put simply, Mayweather losing isn’t good business for Las Vegas.


You also have the HBO and Showtime commentators deepthroating Mayweather’s cawk hardcore style in all his fights. I won’t be surprised if Papa Haymon gives them a nice bonus to praise Mayweather like a god.


It’s no different than what politicians do with certain channels to feed their agenda. You repeat the same bull**** over and over again and sooner or later people will start to believe everything you say.


If a round is close they say that Mayweather clearly won, if Mayweather clearly loses a round they say that the round was close and could’ve gone either way.


If you are not in his chest the entire fight throwing punches you’re clearly losing the round, which it’s not always the case. And if you are in his chest the entire fight throwing punches Floyd is like an octopus that has 8 arms and blocks every punch according to them. It’s almost like if you don’t beat Mayweather within an inch of his life you don’t win a round, period.


Don’t get me wrong this happens with other fighters as well that they’re trying to hype. A lot of times I’m watching a fight that’s very close and competitive and they’re telling everybody that the fight is a complete whitewash in favor of X fighter. There’s also a lot of times when I think X fighter is clearly winning and they’re saying that the fight is really close and I say to myself, what on earth are these ****s watching?


I only score rounds based on who lands the more clean punches round by round: jabs, uppercuts, hooks to the body, etc. Punches that look flashy and land nothing but air and gloves mean nothing.


All these other BS about ring generalship, effective aggression or whatever is just to confuse people that don’t know what to judge when they are watching a fight and also to protect the corrupt judges. You can move around all you want but if you’re not landing punches you’re not being effective and the same goes with pressure fighters, you can throw a million punches and move forward but if you’re not landing that’s not being effective.


Like I said, I feel like a lot of people are confuse as **** when they are scoring a fight or they are bias as **** towards fighters with certain styles or backgrounds. Before every fight people show favoritism towards one of the two fighters and if that fighter lands 1 or 2 good punches that’s enough for them to give him the round, no matter what happens the rest of the round.


I also don’t pay attention to compubox numbers that’s just a guy playing Game Boy with two buttons. I’ve done this experiment many times. I count how many punches each fighter lands and a lot of times the numbers are way off. Sometimes a fighter lands 30+ punches and they say he only landed 15, other times a fighter lands 10 punches and they say he landed 20+ punches.


I remember a fight a long time ago like in the late 90’s or early 2000’s (I don’t remember who was fighting) that the HBO crew put the compubox numbers live on tv at the same time the boxers were fighting, and one of the fighters threw like a 6 punch combination and landed 4 and the compubox guy counted 4 punches thrown and 2 landed. So judging a fight based on compubox numbers is ****** and pointless.


Floyd has strong connections inside the Nevada commission. Think about it, when CJ Robs had Bradley winning the first fight against Pacquiao (a robbery), that hoe continued to work as a judge in other fights like nothing happened. But when she had a draw in Floyd’s fight against Canelo because in her opinion Canelo was the younger and stronger fighter (WTF, that’s a new criteria of scoring a fight?), she took a “little vacation” to refresh her mind of work.


Probably the **** was suspended or she was pressured to get out of boxing. I don’t know if she’s still working as a judge right now.


Floyd’s undefeated record is a myth. He has lost a few times. But hey, that’s his biggest promotional tool. He walks around telling everybody that he’s undefeated, that nobody has the blueprint to beat him and that nobody can break the May Vinci code, LOL. Obviously the casual fans that know nothing or very little about the sport and his groupies of course buy that crap.


He’s right tho when he says that no matter who he beats or how he wins people will always criticize him and hate on him. A fighter can be a 100-1 underdog, pull the upset and win, and still get zero credit. The opponent, somebody from the opponent’s camp or the fans always come up with a million excuses.


You beat an entire army you’re overrated, you lose you’re the biggest bum on earth, that’s the logic a lot of boxing fans use these days. That’s why all these fighters are businessmen first, fighters second and don’t give two ****s about it because at the end of the day people will complain and moan no matter what, and I don’t blame them.


I’m not trying to diminish his accomplishments. He’s definitely a hall of famer, no doubt. He beat a lot of decent and good fighters and he competed at a high level for almost 2 decades. The only knock you can have on his resume is that the best fighters he beat were past their primes.


He had the chance to do something special between 2007 and 2008, when the WW division was hot, full with big, young, strong welterweights, but he retired. He didn’t have to fight everybody, but if he fought at least 2 of those fighters in their primes, his resume would have been sealed as an ATG.


When people start saying he’s the GOAT, that he’s invincible or that he’s the perfect fighter and that nobody in the history of mankind can beat him that’s when he starts to become overrated.

[Fearless Angel]

Now I’m going to mention what I consider Floyd’s closest fights and losses. I didn’t give these fighters rounds based on sympathy or because I like them more than Mayweather or whatever you wanna say. They earn those rounds because they did more work and landed more clean punches than Mayweather:


Cotto- I thought Mayweather won 7-5. Cotto landed more punches in rounds 3, 6, 8, 9 and 10. Cotto’s critics say he only landed the jab, that he didn’t do much more than that, and that he won only one and a half rounds. That’s a lie, not only Cotto landed like a million jabs, he landed a lot of body punches and he also landed right hands, hooks and uppercuts when he was inside Floyd’s guard and in the middle of the ring.


The reason he doesn’t get much credit is because first, the majority of mexicans don’t like him because of the rivalry. Cotto can beat Klitschko and they won’t give him credit.


Second, a lot of british boxing fans aren’t too fond of him either, I don’t know why. Maybe is because Cotto has a much better career than Ricky Hatton’s and they fought around the same weight class and that frustrates some of them.


And third, the media is not in love with him like they are with other fighters because of his personality. He probably told a couple of them to **** off with their ****** questions and they got their feelings hurt.


Miguel Cotto is a killer, you pay him, he does his job and he goes home. He doesn’t care about the extracurricular stuff. You combine that with Floyd’s groupies and in their opinion Cotto lost that fight by 100 points.


Castillo 1- I thought Castillo won 8-4. He landed more punches in rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12. People say (the media and Mayweather fans) ”Oh the fight was close, could have gone either way”, I’m sorry but I just don’t see it. I can’t make a case for Mayweather winning that fight. Castillo clearly won.


Castillo 2- This is the fight that for a moment I start believing in Floyd’s invincibility hype. Jim Lampley said at the end of the fight something like (I’m paraphrasing) “Floyd Mayweather won more clearly this time” and everybody run with that statement like it’s a fact. Also, you have people saying all the time “Mayweather schooled him, he proved he was the better fighter and the first fight was a fluke”.


Watching the fight live I thought to myself this is a close fight, I can make a case for Castillo winning the fight. I was trying to convince myself that Mayweather clearly won the fight. But after watching the fight again and again, I thought Castillo won 7-5. He landed more punches in rounds 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 12.


The 12 round was very close. Mayweather was clearly winning the round but in the final minute Castillo started landing more punches to the head and body and in the end JLC edge him by landing a few more punches.


If you think the fight was a draw or that Mayweather won a close competitive fight no problem, I’m not gonna argue with that. But to say Floyd completely dominated, embarrassed and schooled Castillo is a lie.


Maidana 1- I thought Maidana won 7-5. He out landed Mayweather in rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 12. This was déjà vu all over again, similar to the Castillo fights. Just because Maidana has an awkward style and throws punches from weird angles doesn’t mean he was ineffective.


He landed a lot of body punches, right hands and jabs. Mayweather was holding and grabbing a lot like he did in the Castillo fights. Maidana did the right thing, ripping him with body shots and chopping right hands over the top with his free arm.


Unless you give Maidana zero credit for his work to the body and give points to Mayweather for holding and grabbing, I don’t see how anyone can say Floyd clearly won that fight. But who cares if Maidana loses, right? He already had a couple of losses, doesn’t have a huge fan base, so him taking another L on his record it’s no big deal.


Maidana 2- This is the other fight where a lot of people say that Mayweather prove without a shadow of doubt that Floyd was better. That “Maidana got schooled and that in the first fight Floyd was playing with him and didn’t took him seriously”.


Just because Maidana wasn’t in his chest the entire fight that doesn’t mean he wasn’t landing punches. I thought Maidana won 7-4 with round 10 even, because of the point deduction. Maidana landed more in rounds 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12.


If Maidana lands more total punches in a round: body shots, right hands over the top and jabs, but Mayweather lands a couple of good jabs to body, right hands and hooks in the middle of the ring and the crowd goes “Awww”, “Owww”, “Uwww”, that’s not enough to give the round to Mayweather.


Kenny Bayless completely overreacted with the point deduction, both were fighting dirty. Floyd likes to use his forearm, push your head down, put you in headlocks and pull your arm in the clinches. When he does that everybody says “Oh that’s a veteran move, smart, crafty, etc.”, but when Maidana uses his free arm to punch him in the head and body, just like Castillo did in their fights, everybody says he’s fighting dirty. What he’s supposed to do, let Mayweather hold and grab him all the time and he does absolutely nothing about it?


Maidana, Castillo and Cotto cut the ring off, closed the distance and made Mayweather uncomfortable. They didn’t let Mayweather do whatever he wanted. It’s no coincidence that those three gave Mayweather the most trouble and it wasn’t because Mayweather “wanted to please the fans”. Those are the only guys that imo came close to beat him (Cotto) or actually beat him (Castillo and Maidana).


The only reason you hear so much noise about his fights with DLH and Pacquiao is because the media is in love with them and they have huge fan bases. It goes way beyond the sport of boxing. I don’t think those fights are that hard to score.


Personally, I thought DLH won 4 rounds (2, 4, 6, 7) and Pacquaio won 2 rounds (4, 6). In the Pacquiao fight there are a couple of rounds where both landed very few punches, I mean like 5 punches or less. Mayweather landed a couple of more punches in those two rounds, but if you wanna give those rounds to Pacquiao for whatever reason, he still lost 8-4.

[spytactics]

You are right, Mayweather lost to JLC and Maidana and cotto fight was alot closer than the score cards

[SeekDaGreat]

I'll tell you right now, Maidana got absolutely SHAFTED on the score cards 117-111, 116-112? That was a disgrace. That performance was a draw at BEST for Mayweather. Maidana should have gotten that much, a draw. But it's Vegas and Mayweather and money. So what would anyone expect? You would have to KO him, or school him without question to get a decision, anything they can swing in Floyd's favor, they will, and I've conceited to these factors.

[daggum]

If you are not in his chest the entire fight throwing punches you’re clearly losing the round, which it’s not always the case

Like I said, I feel like a lot of people are confuse as **** when they are scoring a fight or they are bias as **** towards fighters with certain styles or backgrounds. Before every fight people show favoritism towards one of the two fighters and if that fighter lands 1 or 2 good punches that’s enough for them to give him the round, no matter what happens the rest of the round.

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this is so true. even if his opponent is landing the cleaner punches floyd is still winning simply because he's in control and "fighting his fight" whatever that means. he's built a reputation where the opponent has to go above and beyond to even win a round. a methodical boxing round is automatically his and a round where a guy pressures him most of the time they say "floyd is winning on defense" the don't even pay attention to punches.

[Divine Hammer]

pac won only 2 rounds??? hahahahahahaha. two judges had manny winning 4 rounds and all of press row had manny either winning 4 or 5 rounds. get lost u clueless punk.

floyd's real record is 44-2-2

[Johnwoo8686]

To take that much time out of your day just to write such a long bull **** ass post definitely makes you a hater. Something had to motivate you to write the nonsense that you spout out there. The first Castillo fight was close. I thought Floyd barely won and so did many of the press sitting ringside according to Max kellerman. Castillo definitely won some of the later rounds but he was getting swept the first half of the fight.
The Maidana fight was another close fight that I thought Floyd won. I recall a lot of people like Freddie Roach saying Floyd shouldn't have given Maidana a rematch because he "easily won the first fight." There were people who didn't even like Floyd who thought Floyd clearly won the first fight.

Both these men had chances to set the record straight and they both failed. Floyd showed who was the better man the second time if it wasn't good enough for the first time.

Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya all have more questionable wins than Floyd does. Why don't you point those out?

[Fearless Angel]

pac won only 2 rounds??? hahahahahahaha. two judges had manny winning 4 rounds and all of press row had manny either winning 4 or 5 rounds. get lost u clueless punk.

floyd's real record is 44-2-2

If the Pacquiao fight was a little bit more competitive, the judges would have scored that fight a split decision or something like that, based on his reputation. Pacquiao's name is 10 times bigger than Cotto's, Maidana's and Castillo's.

People criticize Mayweather for doing very little in that fight and I agree it wasn't his best performance. But Pacquiao's performance was much worst, he did absolutely nothing.

I said 2 other rounds were very close (don't remember exactly what rounds), but watching the fight I thought Mayweather edge him landing a few more punches. But if you thought Pacquiao won more rounds ok, no big deal.

Even the 6 round was very close but I saw Pacquiao landing 1 or 2 more punches. All the little flurries he threw (very few of them btw) Mayweather blocked the majority of those shots.

[Larry the boss]

To take that much time out of your day just to write such a long bull **** ass post definitely makes you a hater. Something had to motivate you to write the nonsense that you spout out there. The first Castillo fight was close. I thought Floyd barely won and so did many of the press sitting ringside according to Max kellerman. Castillo definitely won some of the later rounds but he was getting swept the first half of the fight.
The Maidana fight was another close fight that I thought Floyd won. I recall a lot of people like Freddie Roach saying Floyd shouldn't have given Maidana a rematch because he "easily won the first fight." There were people who didn't even like Floyd who thought Floyd clearly won the first fight.

Both these men had chances to set the record straight and they both failed. Floyd showed who was the better man the second time if it wasn't good enough for the first time.

Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya all have more questionable wins than Floyd does. Why don't you point those out?

Naw man,let them keep going,we have to stop entertaining this stuff

[Fearless Angel]

To take that much time out of your day just to write such a long bull **** ass post definitely makes you a hater. Something had to motivate you to write the nonsense that you spout out there. The first Castillo fight was close. I thought Floyd barely won and so did many of the press sitting ringside according to Max kellerman. Castillo definitely won some of the later rounds but he was getting swept the first half of the fight.
The Maidana fight was another close fight that I thought Floyd won. I recall a lot of people like Freddie Roach saying Floyd shouldn't have given Maidana a rematch because he "easily won the first fight." There were people who didn't even like Floyd who thought Floyd clearly won the first fight.

Both these men had chances to set the record straight and they both failed. Floyd showed who was the better man the second time if it wasn't good enough for the first time.

Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya all have more questionable wins than Floyd does. Why don't you point those out?

Nope, not a hater. Floyd has not done anything to me or my family for me to hate on him. I'm also not one of those that hates a fighter because of his personality or because he has annoying fans or whatever.

It didn't took me that long to write that bull****, sorry that my mental diarrhea was too much for you to handle. When I got something on my mind I can rant for days.

So basically you don't have your own opinion, you just repeat whatever the media says because none of them are biased of course. Do you agree with every unfair decision or robbery in the history of boxing just because is the official scorecard?

Just because Mayweather repeats the same bull**** all the time, telling everybody he's undefeated, ,TBE, etc., and just because fat boy from ESPN and herpes mouth from HBO tell everybody that this or that decision is right or wrong, that doesn't mean they're always right.