Comments Thread For: WBC is Firm: Cotto-Canelo winner must face GGG next!

[Vasyl’s dad]

Because.....

1) anyone with an ounce of common-sense can see that Cotto weighs 153 and Canelo weighs 155..... BOTH are obviously JMW's

The fact that you struggle to accept that those guys are both JMW's is the cause of this problem..... and that problem is caused by your unjustifiable insistance that the lineal title is somehow important or relevant. Your confusion proves that it is not important or relevant.

2) Golovkin said " anyone from 154-168 "

Dont shoot me man, I'm just the messenger.

3) Golovkin actually attempted to negotiate with Froch/Chavez, whereas Ward simply made an off-hand comment a few years back..... hardly the same thing, so why are you pretending that they are the same?

Provide the interview, or just zip it already. Btw, It doesn't matter what the fighter weighs, they are fighting for MW championship.

Lastly, quit crying about the Ward fight. Ward is obviously scared. He doesn't want none. But he sure wanted to fight floyd at 160.

[kafkod]

If he was fighting as a middleweight, he would be weighing 160, because that is the divisional limit at middleweight. He would not be fighting as a middleweight, he will be fighting as a catchweighted 155lb'er.

Middleweights weigh 160 son, catchweights =/= 160.

One last try.

A CW in a title fight is a private arrangement between the two fighters and their teams, which they must both agree on and add to the contract during negotiations. To the sanctioning body controlling the fight, who's title will be on the line, the CW is irrelevant.

As far as the WBC are concerned, their MW title will be awarded to the winner at the standard weight limit for a MW fight, which is 160lbs.

If you fight for a MW title, you are fighting as a MW, end of story.

[MDPopescu]

Provide the interview, or just zip it already. Btw, It doesn't matter what the fighter weighs, they are fighting for MW championship.

Lastly, quit crying about the Ward fight. Ward is obviously scared. He doesn't want none. But he sure wanted to fight floyd at 160.

Ward isn't fighting neither GGG nor Kovalev soon...
... Ward said he would fight Kovalev next year only if he fights GGG this year... Ward knew that, at this stage, GGG has complicated unfinished business at the MW. He put these conditions in order not to be fulfilled and then to entitled to say: "... look, I wanted to fight them both, but GGG ducked when I wanted him, therefore I will not fight Kovalev ..." a.s.o.

[MDPopescu]

One last try.

A CW in a title fight is a private arrangement between the two fighters and their teams, which they must both agree on and add to the contract during negotiations. To the sanctioning body controlling the fight, who's title will be on the line, the CW is irrelevant.

As far as the WBC are concerned, their MW title will be awarded to the winner at the standard weight limit for a MW fight, which is 160lbs.

If you fight for a MW title, you are fighting as a MW, end of story.

... don't mind -- this kid is only trolling ..............................

[gmc_rfc_06]

Its not going to happen.

The winner will vacate, return to 154 and carry on with their business.

[SlySlickSmooth]

This aboutfkntime doesn't understand even a guy who weighs in at 10 pounds can fight for the Middleweight title

Canelo can be a Middleweight any damn day he pleases.

Sugar Ray Robinson weighed in at 145 to fight LaMotta for the Middleweight belt.

[MDPopescu]

This aboutfkntime doesn't understand even a guy who weighs in at 10 pounds can fight for the Middleweight title

Canelo can be a Middleweight any damn day he pleases.

Sugar Ray Robinson weighed in at 145 to fight LaMotta for the Middleweight belt.

He understands, he understands... But he's trolling...

[techliam]

The problem with lineal titles is that they are based partly on history, partly on subjective opinion. This is because lineal titles, like any other title, are not always won and lost lost in the ring.

If a lineal champ retires, while still "holding" his linear title, a new champ has to be appointed. That's where the subjective element comes into it.

Inactivity on the part of the lineal champ is another problem. Or maybe he remains active but in a different division, without actually confirming that the switch in divisions is going to be permanent.

How long do you wait before you strip him of his title? The Ring waits 2 years. Some sources, as far as I can gather, have no definite time limit or cut off point.

Many fans believe and insist that a lineal title can only be lost in the ring, or relinquished on retirement. But what if a title holder just stops fighting without ever announcing his retirement? Maybe because of an injury he hopes to recover from, given time, but never does?

This is why, as is the case with Andre Ward, different sources can end up with different ideas about who the lineal champ of a particular division actually is. Which makes lineal titles no more definitive than the alphabet orgs, when you think about it. And at least the alphabet boys have the power to enforce mandatories, which can never happen with a lineal title.

You are right, and I hope you'll join me in combating this notion that lineal titles are sacred, if you have one, you're the best. They can be even worse than ABC titles. People shouldn't take them at face value, like people took ABC titles back in the day.

A more accurate, much shorter, perspective is.....

..... lineage is not conclusive, so simply cannot be relied upon to support any claim whatsoever.

There are other (much better) ways, to determine who the best guy is.

Fkn simple !

Yep you're right. But lineal titles were never designed to highlight who the best of the division is. The system was designed to highlight an objective lineage in a murky world of multiple titles. Championships can never show who the best guy is 100% of the time, hence my suggestion to TBRB in the above quote. Kovalev is clearly the premier fighter at 175, the best in the division (Toledo refers to him as the 'uncrowned champion', but I don't like the description), but not the lineal champion. You could quite easily apply the same logic to Cotto/Golovkin

[kafkod]

You are right, and I hope you'll join me in combating this notion that lineal titles are sacred, if you have one, you're the best. They can be even worse than ABC titles. People shouldn't take them at face value, like people took ABC titles back in the day.



Yep you're right. But lineal titles were never designed to highlight who the best of the division is. The system was designed to highlight an objective lineage in a murky world of multiple titles. Championships can never show who the best guy is 100% of the time, hence my suggestion to TBRB in the above quote. Kovalev is clearly the premier fighter at 175, the best in the division (Toledo refers to him as the 'uncrowned champion', but I don't like the description), but not the lineal champion. You could quite easily apply the same logic to Cotto/Golovkin

I've given my opinion on lineal titles several times, and also started a thread about it.

One problem is that most lineal title holders, like Cotto, have a lot of fans. In boxing, fan's loyalty to their favourite fighters usually trumps logic.

Promoters love lineal titles too .... when a fighter they promote is holding one.

[kafkod]

... don't mind -- this kid is only trolling ..............................

He understands, he understands... But he's trolling...

Either trolling or blinded by hate for GGG.