Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Berto Won't Blame Shoulder Like Pacquiao Did!

[MisanthropicNY]

We're still at the same place we were about 10 minutes ago. If Pacquiao would have initially agreed to drug testing none of what you just said would be getting discussed.

Floyd and Pacquiaos camp agreed to everything except drug testing. Pacquaio had an issue with it and decided to fight Clottey for a lot less money. They eventually fought and Mayweather beat him convincingly. Accept it and move on. I don't know why this keeps being brought up. Its over.

Also, Floyd may or may not be TBE but he's certainly better than Pacquiao is, who is an ATG in his own right.

Really? So you know for sure Floyd wouldn't have brought up another condition for not making the fight happen? Riiiight..because Floyd never nickle and dimes his opponents over every little condition to make fights happen...

If Manny said not in Vegas..and the fight didn't have for that reason.. you'd be here still saying Manny should have just fought in Vegas..because you're a fan boy...

Floyd could have been TBE..he obviously has the talent..hell, I'd pick him over Ray Robinson at 47' easily..but how can I have any credible saying stuff like that when Floyd avoided every biggest threat at the time..took 2nd, 3rd and 4th options..and fought in 5 weight divisions when others have fought in more weight divisions and took on bigger challenges...

[The Big Dunn]

Really? So you know for sure Floyd wouldn't have brought up another condition for not making the fight happen? Riiiight..because Floyd never nickle and dimes his opponents over every little condition to make fights happen...

If Manny said not in Vegas..and the fight didn't have for that reason.. you'd be here still saying Manny should have just fought in Vegas..because you're a fan boy...

Floyd could have been TBE..he obviously has the talent..hell, I'd pick him over Ray Robinson at 47' easily..but how can I have any credible saying stuff like that when Floyd avoided every biggest threat at the time..took 2nd, 3rd and 4th options..and fought in 5 weight divisions when others have fought in more weight divisions and took on bigger challenges...

Stop blaming another man for Manny's decisions to walk away years ago over the PED tests. He got more money than he would've in 2009 and got to make a ton on PPV that he likely wouldn't of if he had lost to Floyd in 2009.

By waiting he cost himself the best chance to defeat Floyd but maximized his purse, same as ODH and Shane did.

[MisanthropicNY]

maybe hes not TBE but if pac man accepted those test as he later did for some strange reason..... the fight would have happend, even freddie roach said this.

who is fighting the biggest threats right now at 147? who has beat more champions at 147 than floyd? who has a better WW resume than him right now? a serious question.

I wish Manny would have accepted the terms..but it was about ego...Manny had conceded to everything... Vegas..50/50... name first..MGM...USADA doing the testing...

Floyd would have conceded none of those except the 50/50...

If Manny who was 50/50 with Floyd..no A-side... at that time said..no USADA but VADA or no Vegas because that's your hometown...

Floyd would have balked at the fight in a heartbeat...

Best part is Manny well into his 30s took the tests against Bradley and other decent opposition and still dominated...

Manny never had 1 punch KO power at WW... he caught Hatton at 140.. and Cotto at 145.. and Cotto was a thorough beating..not just one punch like the obviously roided up Marquez...

Manny outboxed and beat down his opponents..he didn't just KO everyone... and his shoulders weren't huge and there was no acne all over his body like Marquez.

[MisanthropicNY]

Stop blaming another man for Manny's decisions to walk away years ago over the PED tests. He got more money than he would've in 2009 and got to make a ton on PPV that he likely wouldn't of if he had lost to Floyd in 2009.

By waiting he cost himself the best chance to defeat Floyd but maximized his purse, same as ODH and Shane did.

The fight was way bigger before the Marquez KO Manny was less than a 2-1 dog against Floyd back then... actually one Vegas casino has Manny the favorite at the opening betting line...

Kind of crazy to say considering the numbers..but the fight back in 2010 would have done over 5 mil easily..

[HURTFEELINGS]

Manny didnt accept testing and Roach admitted it was their fault. Roach and Arum said manny was 100% before the fight, but he still wanted to take a shot of toradol? He could've just took the test, now he will forever be suspected of PED use, because when he did start testing he never got a ko again and still hasnt. He clearly got outclassed by Floyd and the same thing would've happened with a younger floyd, probably even worse. He has no one to blame but himself. Good thing he got over his fear of needles.

[The Big Dunn]

The fight was way bigger before the Marquez KO Manny was less than a 2-1 dog against Floyd back then... actually one Vegas casino has Manny the favorite at the opening betting line...

Kind of crazy to say considering the numbers..but the fight back in 2010 would have done over 5 mil easily..

True, I thought one place had Manny as the favorite-but I always though that was to skew betiing to make the house win when Floyd won.

The fight was bigger to us as boxing fans, I am not sure if it was bigger in to the mainstream. I do not think they could've charged the prices they did in 2009 but we will never know.

Either way, lets stop blaming Manny's decisions on other men. it's like people blaming Mikey Garcia's decisions not to fight on other people.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

I wish Manny would have accepted the terms..but it was about ego...Manny had conceded to everything... Vegas..50/50... name first..MGM...USADA doing the testing...

Floyd would have conceded none of those except the 50/50...

If Manny who was 50/50 with Floyd..no A-side... at that time said..no USADA but VADA or no Vegas because that's your hometown...

Floyd would have balked at the fight in a heartbeat...

Best part is Manny well into his 30s took the tests against Bradley and other decent opposition and still dominated...

Manny never had 1 punch KO power at WW... he caught Hatton at 140.. and Cotto at 145.. and Cotto was a thorough beating..not just one punch like the obviously roided up Marquez...

Manny outboxed and beat down his opponents..he didn't just KO everyone... and his shoulders weren't huge and there was no acne all over his body like Marquez.

stopping here makes u a much better person. he didnt accept it man just accept that and move on,

[MisanthropicNY]

True, I thought one place had Manny as the favorite-but I always though that was to skew betiing to make the house win when Floyd won.

The fight was bigger to us as boxing fans, I am not sure if it was bigger in to the mainstream. I do not think they could've charged the prices they did in 2009 but we will never know.

Either way, lets stop blaming Manny's decisions on other men. it's like people blaming Mikey Garcia's decisions not to fight on other people.

I blamed Manny for the first round of negotiations...history will always see Manny as the one responsible for those negotiations...

[jcpryor]

Really? So you know for sure Floyd wouldn't have brought up another condition for not making the fight happen? Riiiight..because Floyd never nickle and dimes his opponents over every little condition to make fights happen...

If Manny said not in Vegas..and the fight didn't have for that reason.. you'd be here still saying Manny should have just fought in Vegas..because you're a fan boy...

Floyd could have been TBE..he obviously has the talent..hell, I'd pick him over Ray Robinson at 47' easily..but how can I have any credible saying stuff like that when Floyd avoided every biggest threat at the time..took 2nd, 3rd and 4th options..and fought in 5 weight divisions when others have fought in more weight divisions and took on bigger challenges...

Lots of hypotheticals, its, shoulds, wouldas and could as in your posts. The fact is Pacquiao turned down drug testing. Period.

You can make up whatever you want in your mind and say 'floyd would have come up with another road block', but the bottom line is well never know because Pacquiao said drawing blood made him weak, Arum said he was afraid of needles, and his camp said that they'd rather make 7 million dollars fighting Clottley than continue to negotiate the biggest fight in history. That's on Pacquiao, not Mayweather.

Mayweather was willing and able to fight Pacquiao in 2010, at his peak. He made concessions in his drug testing demands in an attempt to get the fight signed. He offered a 14 day cut off. Pacquiao refused. No one is making that stuff up. Accept it and move on.

[aboutfkntime]

Really? So you know for sure Floyd wouldn't have brought up another condition for not making the fight happen? Riiiight..because Floyd never nickle and dimes his opponents over every little condition to make fights happen...

If Manny said not in Vegas..and the fight didn't have for that reason.. you'd be here still saying Manny should have just fought in Vegas..because you're a fan boy...

Floyd could have been TBE..he obviously has the talent..hell, I'd pick him over Ray Robinson at 47' easily..but how can I have any credible saying stuff like that when Floyd avoided every biggest threat at the time..took 2nd, 3rd and 4th options..and fought in 5 weight divisions when others have fought in more weight divisions and took on bigger challenges...

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