Is it me or do 90% of the PBC fights mean nothing?

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  • NEETzsche
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    #11
    as long as a fighter takes two challenging fights per year, i'm okay with them taking a stay-busy or two on top of that. however, if they are to top a bill, then the undercard needs to be strong. i feel like pbc would get more love if they merged some of their cards together instead of spreading their fights so thinly over so many channels and dates

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    • Barcham
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      #12
      Originally posted by PulpFriction
      I've been saying the same thing, he has no stars. Broner had a great chance because of his personality but he lost to porter. Stars can only be created by putting talented, hungry fighters against each other but Haymon will continue to setup mismatch after mismatch. Sure he'll put a competitive fight on sometimes but overall the matchmaking is awful and that's not how you build stars.
      Most of the fights that turn out to be the most competitive and entertaining, are the ones no one expects to be so and are almost always undercard fights. They are accidents, pure and simple.

      And it is difficult to build stars when all the fighters are treated the same and not permitted to make their proper ring entrances with their own music and entourage, carrying their title belts high and proud. Floyd would not look very intimidating if he entered the ring alone after dancing down a catwalk from the WWE style stage. He would look like a fool. And probably feel like one as well.

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      • 285Kid
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        #13
        90% of all boxing fights on tv mean nothing

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        • Reigning Champ
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          #14
          No one complained when Canelo fought Kirkland, Cotto fought Geale, Golovkin fought Moneoe, Kovalev fought Mohammedi as soft touches.

          But the moment, a PBC fighter has a soft touch in between a big fight all hell breaks loose.

          Garcia had a tough fight with Perterson, and moved up in weight to fight a soft opponent in Malinaggni to get his confidence up. He's likely going to have a tough fight after.

          Jacobs had a soft touch in Mora, but is now going to fight Quillin.

          Thurman had a soft touch, but is probably going to fight Porter.

          They're balancing out big fights with soft ones in between similar to how HBO are showcasing fights. However I don't hear anyone complaining how HBO are doing things. Bias is clear as day.

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            #15
            I think that's the point, well it clearly is. They're milking their time and trying to build a brand without delivering all their good fights at once. Unfortunately for boxers (that want to establish a legacy), age and overall timing is individually more essential than in other sports, like basketball or baseball where you might get a bunch of meaningless games until the playoffs.

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            • thiefery
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              #16
              Originally posted by Reigning Champ
              No one complained when Canelo fought Kirkland, Cotto fought Geale, Golovkin fought Moneoe, Kovalev fought Mohammedi as soft touches.

              But the moment, a PBC fighter has a soft touch in between a big fight all hell breaks loose.

              Garcia had a tough fight with Perterson, and moved up in weight to fight a soft opponent in Malinaggni to get his confidence up. He's likely going to have a tough fight after.

              Jacobs had a soft touch in Mora, but is now going to fight Quillin.

              Thurman had a soft touch, but is probably going to fight Porter.

              They're balancing out big fights with soft ones in between similar to how HBO are showcasing fights. However I don't hear anyone complaining how HBO are doing things. Bias is clear as day.
              Geale was the best option that GGG could get in the ring with. KIRKLAND however an underdog can **** and outside of Ishida he delivered. Names are drying up at 175 & Mohemmidi was a mandatory.

              Meanwhile Mora, coming off a loss to.washed up Brian Vera fights Jacobs. And Paulie fresh off an execution to Porter fights Garcia.

              It all could be comparable but Canelo, GGG, and Krusher are established now. When you talk about Jr MW Canelo is top (outside Floyd), GGG is the man @ MW, Krusher is the man at 175. Since Adonis has been a part of PBC who has he fought?

              I enjoy the extra fight cards,but don't know why PBC doesn't put out the best matches now in order to gain traction.
              Last edited by thiefery; 08-02-2015, 09:26 AM.

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              • Aztekkas
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                #17
                Originally posted by Reigning Champ
                No one complained when Canelo fought Kirkland, Cotto fought Geale, Golovkin fought Moneoe, Kovalev fought Mohammedi as soft touches.

                But the moment, a PBC fighter has a soft touch in between a big fight all hell breaks loose.

                Garcia had a tough fight with Perterson, and moved up in weight to fight a soft opponent in Malinaggni to get his confidence up. He's likely going to have a tough fight after.

                Jacobs had a soft touch in Mora, but is now going to fight Quillin.

                Thurman had a soft touch, but is probably going to fight Porter.

                They're balancing out big fights with soft ones in between similar to how HBO are showcasing fights. However I don't hear anyone complaining how HBO are doing things. Bias is clear as day.
                Wtf are you saying, all those fights you mentioned were complained about. Cotto, Canelo, GGG and Kova were all critiqued over their choice of opponents, weight, etc.

                Also, Garcia didn't just move up, the Peterson fight was at a catch weight above 140, in other words it was a WW bout. Oh, Canelo and Cotto get criticized over their catch weights, why arent PBC fanboys critical about all the fights with miss weights or catch weights like the Broner vs Porter fight or the Garcia vs Peterson scrap.

                Truth be told all these showcase fights suck horridly, and even the fights that seem like they have a shot at being exciting on paper somehow end up flat.

                It's crazy to see how some folks scream bias yet fail to realize they are clearly in the same category.

                GGG vs Lem is a crap fight. Lame, I ain't finna pay no stakks for that garbage. Easy opponent yet again, etc...

                Floyd is apparently fighting Berto and the same GGG bashing fanboys throw on their cape and scream, "but her deserves it."

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                • HEND
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                  #18
                  You all whining about PBC but none of you realize that the situation wouldn't be any better without PBC You think it's all PBC's fault and there wouldn't be any mismatches without PBC? Haha... I tell you what would happen. The amount of competetive fights would be the same but there wozld be less fights.
                  Quality over quantity but if you don't get more quality either ways then why not get more quantity at least?

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                  • thiefery
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by HEND
                    You all whining about PBC but none of you realize that the situation wouldn't be any better without PBC You think it's all PBC's fault and there wouldn't be any mismatches without PBC? Haha... I tell you what would happen. The amount of competetive fights would be the same but there wozld be less fights.
                    Quality over quantity but if you don't get more quality either ways then why not get more quantity at least?
                    Because a lot of **** quan****** equals the lower and lower ratings. No way regular TV will support these lame as.ratings...but it's all good though right?

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                    • boxinghead530
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
                      Seriously, almost all the PBC fights are like last nights card where there is a clear favorite against a older washed up veteran with a name who realistically has no shot. Or a name vs a straight up bum.
                      Sure, we get the occasional Porter vs Broner and Mares vs LSC but most of these fights end up as we think and they lead to nothing. What does Thurman beating Collazzo lead to? Garcia beating Paulie? Who cares, we expected those things to happen and it's not like it builds any other fights up with those victories.
                      I'm happy there is more boxing on tv but most of these cards are just "stay busy" type fights and lead to nothing...
                      You have a point. PBC Promotion will feature a big name vs a washed up bum with a name or just a bum and it truly does nothing to elevate.

                      Plus I disagree with another poster who said PBC Promotions does have the roster to make game changing fight. BS. PBC Promotions has all the 147 fighters not named pacquiao or Bradley. So they can make lots of meaningful fights. But meaningful fights is not Haymons style. He will stick to his big name fighter vs a washed up named fighter type to get his small legion of followers excited.

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