Avenging a loss or a "0" which one better defines greatness or the best?

[MurkaMan]

You just called the later great SRR less than great because he loss! How can i educate someone who believes only winning (despite the quality of opposition) makes a fighter Great? You cant educate someone like that. Like you! Honestly i would think youd get it by now! But you still dont! Sad. Very sad.

You dummy SRR aint fought no damn great opposition LOL This dude faced the most bums in history.

Floyd is great because of consistency. I have Robinson rated similar because of consistency but look at the bums Roby faced and compare it to Floyd. Floyd dominates everyone, no matter how awkward, or how good.

Ray merely BEATS everyone SOMETIMES. And did I say everyone? Because he aint fought the damned best!

[SalimShady1212]

Fighting the best win, draw or lose is what defines greatness.

[Raonic]

It really depends on the quality of the opponent. If you fought club fighters but have the 0, doesn't exactly speak too much about your abilities. Losing to a nobody then beating the same nobody isn't exactly too great either.

If the opponent was the same quality though, I'd take the "0".

[therealpugilist]

if its with the same exact comp the 0 means more


you dont get credit for struggling with fighters...everybody loves a good comeback story but lets be real....would you rather clearly beat someone one time and dominate or fight neck and neck 3 times in a row and never be the same after the trilogy



boxing fans are some of the smartest, yet ignorant sports fans ever




when did losing proof greatness?

[therealpugilist]

You dummy SRR aint fought no damn great opposition LOL This dude faced the most bums in history.

Floyd is great because of consistency. I have Robinson rated similar because of consistency but look at the bums Roby faced and compare it to Floyd. Floyd dominates everyone, no matter how awkward, or how good.

Ray merely BEATS everyone SOMETIMES. And did I say everyone? Because he aint fought the damned best!

Sugar Ray Robinson did fight a lot of fighters who didnt belong in the ring with him and never faced the best black fighters of his time..only fought a washed up Aaron "Tiger" Wade....no charley burley, ezzard charles, cocoa kid, bert lytell, holman williams, lloyd marshall etc....Robinson fought between 147-160 through out the forties and fought none of them




the golden age fighters did not always fight the best....no fighter in history fought every good or great fighter close to their size, its not possible

[delukard]

Sugar Ray Robinson did fight a lot of fighters who didnt belong in the ring with him and never faced the best black fighters of his time..only fought a washed up Aaron "Tiger" Wade....no charley burley, ezzard charles, cocoa kid, bert lytell, holman williams, lloyd marshall etc....Robinson fought between 147-160 through out the forties and fought none of them




the golden age fighters did not always fight the best....no fighter in history fought every good or great fighter close to their size, its not possible

I can't believe i'm posting on this thread but oh well.

Duran, SRL, Hearns and haggler, fought the best at their weight even among them selves.
What good is a 0 when a fighter on a different era could have take that from you?

Hearns would decapitate mayweather if a single right hand landed and it would have If mosley landed it Hearns would have easier and that would be GN floyd

SRL was more charismatic in his time so that means that if it went to a decision SRL wins, and SRL has more POP in his fists than mayweather so how could mayweather win?

Duran WAS better version of paquiao yes i said that, so the pressure would have been much much worst than maidana.

The marvelous? well he was a middleweight not even going to say anything, although some NUTS HERE have posted that mayweather could have won, talk about a man crush lmao.

I say this because mayweather is NOT TBE just because he has a 0 PERIOD
And BTW I do like Mayweather he is one of my favorite "boxers" but he is not TBE

[PAC-BOY]

You dummy SRR aint fought no damn great opposition LOL This dude faced the most bums in history.

Floyd is great because of consistency. I have Robinson rated similar because of consistency but look at the bums Roby faced and compare it to Floyd. Floyd dominates everyone, no matter how awkward, or how good.

Ray merely BEATS everyone SOMETIMES. And did I say everyone? Because he aint fought the damned best!

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[Boxfan83]

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We have a dumbass over here who thinks Floyd Mayweather is greater than Sugar Ray Robinson

Apparently Floyds better than Ray Robinson, Ali, Louis, & Moore I think people are misconscrewing why I made this thread, I shouldve proofread it before I posted...

[PAC-BOY]

Apparently Floyds better than Ray Robinson, Ali, Louis, & Moore I think people are misconscrewing why I made this thread, I shouldve proofread it before I posted...

No...its a good thread and topic. Nothings being misconstrued. Just fans of Floyd have a low boxing IQ and believe no matter what that a 0 makes you great no mater the quality of opposition or time you fought the opponent vs when they could have fought. They have a hard time distinguishing the variables of different scenarios. In fact some losses in a fighters career were actually their best win. That concept escapes their realm of understanding completely.

[Boxfan83]

No...its a good thread and topic. Nothings being misconstrued. Just fans of Floyd have a low boxing IQ and believe no matter what that a 0 makes you great no mater the quality of opposition or time you fought the opponent vs when they could have fought. They have a hard time distinguishing the variables of different scenarios. In fact some losses in a fighters career were actually their best win. That concept escapes their realm of understanding completely.

Very true and well said. I think alot of its a generational thing, Ive noticed since Floyds been on top most young fighters are all about protecting their 0, and Haymon tries to mimic the floyd (career) blueprint with his undefeated fighters. No one likes to lose, but I dont think a loss should automatically disqualify someone from acheiving all time greatness...