Do Oscar and Arum realize that none of the PBC/Haymon guys WANT to go back to them?

[ironmike2012]

Al Haymon has left, so why aren't they putting on cards together?

Maybe because Haymon has 200+ out of the top fighters. Both Top Rank and Golden Boy don't have any where near that much talent, plus they build fighters, not as easy to match up fighters at different stages of development.

The Haymon stuff is just like Don King, people thought that he was good for boxing, but after being exposed later by Ali, Tyson, Tim Witherspoon and others, Don pretty much fell off the map. I see the same happening here.

At least Don fought his fighters often and never stopped the best from fighting, even if he didn't like the promoter/ fighter. Most promoters hated King, but they always put aside their feeling for the good of the sport. With the stable that Haymon has, there is no way Berto would be fighting FM. Thurman, Khan and Porter are more deserving at this point.

[CANELOLUJAH]

of coursse cause they getting paid but thats not gonna last at all by end of this year or early next year all these fighters are taking pay cuts.

[Rich2123]

It's only going to get more interesting from here. So many questions.

Can Haymon keep 200+ fighters happy?

Will they ever be able to put one of the fights that absolutely need to happen (say, Kovalev-Stephenson) together?

What if the PBC folds? Where will those 200+ guys go?

What if HBO decided boxing is more trouble than it's worth?

The business of boxing is going to be pretty interesting the next few years.

[kafkod]

I always wondered how loaded he really is. billionaire?

Nowhere near. His personal fortune is $15 million. If he had been paying his fighters with his his own money, he would be broke by now.

[Barcham]

Maybe because Haymon has 200+ out of the top fighters. Both Top Rank and Golden Boy don't have any where near that much talent, plus they build fighters, not as easy to match up fighters at different stages of development.

The Haymon stuff is just like Don King, people thought that he was good for boxing, but after being exposed later by Ali, Tyson, Tim Witherspoon and others, Don pretty much fell off the map. I see the same happening here.

At least Don fought his fighters often and never stopped the best from fighting, even if he didn't like the promoter/ fighter. Most promoters hated King, but they always put aside their feeling for the good of the sport. With the stable that Haymon has, there is no way Berto would be fighting FM. Thurman, Khan and Porter are more deserving at this point.

He may have 200+ fighters, but precious few of them are rated in the top ten of any sanctioning body in any weight class. Most of his stable are low end fighters that no one has ever heard of. And he really does not know how to properly handle the careers of the top fighters he does have. All he does is over pay their purses and no fighter will complain about that. But one day Haymon will be broke or in jail, or both, and the free ride for these guys will be over. Let's see how happy they are then.

[mathed]

People are also working under the assumption that people should put up with bull****.

Mayweather vs Pacquiao.

A fight where Mayweather Promotions put on a card with Top Rank, an opportunity to mend broken bridges and show that they can put on a successful profitable card with one another. What did Arum do when the result did not go his way? Mar the event in an attempt to save face and cripple the image of his competitor.

Bob Arum is a crook, Bob Arum is vindictive and Bob Arum is dishonest. You cannot, in good conscience, fault a man for not doing business with him. The man simply does not conduct business in a way that a man with options would go to his table.

With that in mind, it stands to reason that what people want is an environment where Bob Arum is the dominant figure in boxing and people have no other choice but to do business with him.

I'm sure Bradley would tend to disagree with you on that. People say that he "robs Pac blind" but the dude seems to be doing OK in the money department despite all the claims. If he were truly getting taken to the cleaners, why doesn't he just leave?

It is Hymen that keeps guys like Bonehead Broner away from multi-fight mega million dollar contracts with other promoters like Jay-Z. He forced what, 3 different boxers to turn down much more lucrative offers?

All these dudes are in it to get rich, not one of them is in that business because they want to help boxers man. In the end, if it makes sense, it makes money for the guy pulling the strings........that transcends everything else.

[mathed]

Maybe because Haymon has 200+ out of the top fighters. Both Top Rank and Golden Boy don't have any where near that much talent, plus they build fighters, not as easy to match up fighters at different stages of development.

The Haymon stuff is just like Don King, people thought that he was good for boxing, but after being exposed later by Ali, Tyson, Tim Witherspoon and others, Don pretty much fell off the map. I see the same happening here.

At least Don fought his fighters often and never stopped the best from fighting, even if he didn't like the promoter/ fighter. Most promoters hated King, but they always put aside their feeling for the good of the sport. With the stable that Haymon has, there is no way Berto would be fighting FM. Thurman, Khan and Porter are more deserving at this point.

He only has a small list of fighters on his site but check it out. I have like 3 more pics but they all show the same thing pretty much....no fights lined up. I know he has cards going on but 200 guys means a lot of fights to have lined up ALL THE TIME! There are going to be many, many dudes sitting on the shelf for a long time.

[JmH Reborn]

Meh - its as if there is this belief that all these great fights have been made prior to PBC

I'm indifferent - the TR/GBP cold war and various promoters with their own agenda did the sport no favors, never mind the sanctioning bodies and their own agendas that may either be aligned with a specific promoter/programmer or what have you. Never mind each state's "governing" board

Boxing is a helluva mess - I'd like to see the whole industry blown up and reconstituted much like PBC is attempting to do. If their success means the end of the WBC/WBA/WBO and all promoters - I say, lets hope for their success.

All these dudes for GENERATIONS have been mucking up the sport for so long - I mean, its a familiar trope/cliche that's been accepted, where even in movies its common place like its no big deal - I want the whole thing blown up. So lets go PBC, whenever a movement takes place, the loudest voices are always those with much to lose in the wave of progressive change - so let them - boxing doesn't need anymore toxicity that it already has.

[boxingsupreme87]

of coursse cause they getting paid but thats not gonna last at all by end of this year or early next year all these fighters are taking pay cuts.

Sorry but I've never heard of a Haymon fighter taking a "pay cut", not even prior to PBC. They get paid more and more each time out.

[techliam]

Al Haymon is no different really to the other major promoters

HBO/Arum have fans, so does Al Haymon and PBC

Theres literally no difference, other than some rampant Haymon fans trying to operate under the guise of 'cleaning the sport up' 'revolution' etc

Making the best match ups possible isn't usually in a promoters interest