PBCs Biggest Problem is Not Ratings or Finances.....

[Infamous]

Haymon has been managing fighters for years not running a competitor to HBO, TR & GBP. He's been doing that for 4 months. Those are completely different jobs with different goals. It'd be like saying the new president of a movie studio hasn't produced a blockbuster after 4 months on the job despite being Ben Affleck's & a handful of other notable to semi-notable actors agent for a decade or so. Most of the guys Haymon effed with were already names to some degree & his job wasn't to make them stars it was to get them paid their value.

He was working next to **** who was making Danny a huge star... Your telling me He didn't learn that part of the business before creating his own promotional company??

[SplitSecond]

I remember Berto when he was being built up, this guy that was always thanking this Haymon character, a protected guy who never stepped up, just hung around fighting cans while getting way overpaid.

Actually fairly similar to how I feel some of these Haymon guys are being guided right now.

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Yeah but he has some extremely talent Prospect on the Rise who all those guys you listed could eventually be Sacrificial Lambs to which would then create even BIGGER STARS!

Fans are trying to create Superstars within 4 Months of business being open while Haymon contracts with these networks span for 2-3 Years or what ever it is. He has plenty of team to build up and develop stars. What Is The Rush?

I would love to see the Hungry Prospects get more TV Time instead of wasting time on guys who want to play it safe and not Challenge. If you don't want to step up competition go fight on Bounce TV or something but they shouldn't be on CBS, NBC or ESPN!

I agree. This Warren/Payano fight should have been an undercard on a better network. It's actually an intriguing fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I anxiously await the list of stars ANY promoter, TV channel or manager created within their first 120 days of operation. I'll wait. Feel like I'll be waiting awhile, but I'll wait for your answer.

Lmao... Haymon has been controlling these fighter's careers for years.

He has yet to develop a PPv fighter..
Broner and wilder have come closest, but nobody has become a star under Haymon's tutelage...

[Eff Pandas]

Your telling me He didn't learn that part of the business before creating his own promotional company??

I'm telling you his job was to get his fighters paid the most money possible til 4 months ago. And no in the 4 months he's been running PBC he hasn't created a star, but please show me who has created a star in 4 months. I'll take your silence or non-response to the question in future posts as an answer of "no one has".

[Eff Pandas]

Lmao... Haymon has been controlling these fighter's careers for years.

He has yet to develop a PPv fighter..
Broner and wilder have come closest, but nobody has become a star under Haymon's tutelage...

He's been their manager for years. Managers aren't really known for creating stars. Everyone here is naming off promoters doing that job. And even if the guys claiming Haymon is a promoter are right, he's only been promoting for 4 months. How long did it take Arum to build Mayweather, De La Hoya, Pacquiao & Cotto into stars? More than 4 months I'm guessing.

[Infamous]

I'm telling you his job was to get his fighters paid the most money possible til 4 months ago. And no in the 4 months he's been running PBC he hasn't created a star, but please show me who has created a star in 4 months. I'll take your silence or non-response to the question in future posts as an answer of "no one has".

Answer my question first:

He was working next to **** who was making Danny a huge star... Your telling me He didn't learn that part of the business before creating his own promotional company??

[Eff Pandas]

Answer my question first:

He was working next to **** who was making Danny a huge star... Your telling me He didn't learn that part of the business before creating his own promotional company??

Idk if he learned how to create stars or not. He's only been at this job that allows for growing of stars for 4 months so the evidence isn't judgeable at this point imho if we are being fair & rational about the question.

In a year or more like two years or three we can talk about his successes or failures in building stars through this PBC entity. Thats more of a viable timetable to get the job done.

I also think building a star isn't even mostly HBO's, TR's, GBP's or PBC's job is part of my issue with this whole discussion. Stars mostly build themselves or have the skills, talent & drive to be stars & 99% of guys don't have the skill level, aren't talented enough or don't have the drive to be stars in the first place. HBO, TR & PBC can throw promising guys in with guys they beat for years in hopes of building a star, but there are always gonna be more washouts than successes & HBO & TR have had thousands of boxers put through that process over decades & PBC has had 200ish, most of which signed with Haymon in the last 6 months & have been part of PBC for 4 months. So what can you really expect if we are being fair & rational.

Now, who's built a star in boxing in 120 days? Its okay to say no one & we can move on.

[Infamous]

Idk if he learned how to create stars or not. He's only been at this job that allows for growing of stars for 4 months so the evidence isn't judgeable at this point imho if we are being fair & rational about the question.

In a year or more like two years or three we can talk about his successes or failures in building stars through this PBC entity. Thats more of a viable timetable to get the job done.

I also think building a star isn't even mostly HBO's, TR's, GBP's or PBC's job is part of my issue with this whole discussion. Stars mostly build themselves or have the skills, talent & drive to be stars & 99% of guys don't have the skill level, aren't talented enough or don't have the drive to be stars in the first place. HBO, TR & PBC can throw promising guys in with guys they beat for years in hopes of building a star, but there are always gonna be more washouts than successes & HBO & TR have had thousands of boxers put through that process over decades & PBC has had 200ish, most of which signed with Haymon in the last 6 months & have been part of PBC for 4 months. So what can you really expect if we are being fair & rational.

Now, who's built a star in boxing in 120 days? Its okay to say no one & we can move on.

the top part would be true, if PBC had some sort of success, but atm their biggest fight is Peterson Garcia but even that was a farce due to the catchweight... Broner Porter did nothing for Porter... Thurman Guerrero was okay but what's going on with Thurman now?

So I'll give you noone but at this stage PBC should have showed us something and yet it's still doing the same s.hit it was doing at showtime just on more channels..

[Eff Pandas]

the top part would be true, if PBC had some sort of success, but atm their biggest fight is Peterson Garcia but even that was a farce due to the catchweight... Broner Porter did nothing for Porter... Thurman Guerrero was okay but what's going on with Thurman now?

Again I don't see how you build stars out the gate 4 months. Even random luck & fighters doing exceptional things in the ring are needed beyond just time. You need more than big fights. You need big fighters. Haymon can't throw the ghost of Salvador Sanchez in the ring & fight for these guys & make them stars. They gotta do it themselves. Thurman might be that guy among all you listed, but its obvious from his last two fights he's not quite as knight in shining armor-ish yet as people want him to be.

One thing I'm curious of is who do you consider a star today in boxing? What is a boxing star to you, like your definition? To me there are only a very few stars in the sport anyway so its not like PBC is gonna have a dozen stars by the end of the year even if they somehow hired Arum to work for them. If they have 2 stars created in 2-3 years out of the current roster & maybe hijacked 2-3 stars among, lets say, another 50-100 guys they sign between now & this time in 2016 that would be great.

So I'll give you noone but at this stage PBC should have showed us something and yet it's still doing the same s.hit it was doing at showtime just on more channels..

I don't know that they should have. I think PBC is still in the infancy stage of their plan.

And honestly thats my biggest argument in virtually any PBC thread. Is people wanna act like PBC is the savior of boxing (it could be, but I'm not betting on it) or PBC is gonna be out of business by the end of next week (I doubt it, but it could easily fail within the next 2-4 years for one reason or another), but mainly this thing is so young, so unknown & so in play still saying either of those things just shows you as a bias contributor to the debate when so many things are up in the air. I personally feel like many things will get more defined when PBC has some sort of real figurehead fronting PBC. I suspect that'll be Richard Schaffer when he's finished his non-compete clause in a few months. I think things start getting more interesting & there is a clearer goal line established at that point.