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  • #51
    Originally posted by Levity View Post
    At the start Fury was jabbing plenty and looking to box in that fight, but it was a lot harder when he wasn't facing a short, one-dimensional plodder like Hammer or Chisora. Fury hasn't beaten one remotely decent HW over 6'3" and while Wlad obviously hasn't defeated someone exactly like Fury he's fought a much wider range of styles and abilities, including some bigger contenders like prime McCline. Fury has also been kept away from fighters with power, and his trips to the canvas against light hitters like Pajkic and USS might show why.

    The height difference between Fury and Wlad isn't much anyway, as is very clear in the recent pictures where Fury isn't standing on his toes like he was for their pic with Lee and Steward....not a 3 inch difference at all.
    Its not even close man, klitschko is elite and has fought legit heavweights over the years. Fury hasnt done ****.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Levity View Post
      At the start Fury was jabbing plenty and looking to box in that fight, but it was a lot harder when he wasn't facing a short, one-dimensional plodder like Hammer or Chisora. Fury hasn't beaten one remotely decent HW over 6'3" and while Wlad obviously hasn't defeated someone exactly like Fury he's fought a much wider range of styles and abilities, including some bigger contenders like prime McCline. Fury has also been kept away from fighters with power, and his trips to the canvas against light hitters like Pajkic and USS might show why.

      The height difference between Fury and Wlad isn't much anyway, as is very clear in the recent pictures where Fury isn't standing on his toes like he was for their pic with Lee and Steward....not a 3 inch difference at all.
      Cunningham might be more skilled than Chisora but I'd still say Fury had a completely different approach back then to how he does now.

      The height difference doesn't look too much because it isn#t much - 3 inches in height isn't anything major.

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      • #53
        Tyson Chandler is an NBA player who was credibly measured without shoes at 6'11.5" for the NBA draft....they need these heights to be accurate for drafting purposes. There is a pic with him and Fury next to each other, and Chandler looks to be at least 4 inches taller than Fury accounting for their posture...suggesting that Fury's 6'9" listing is bogus.

        If you think there is a 3 inch difference between Wlad and Fury in the recent pictures you have a poor idea of what a 3 inch difference looks like.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by alexKO View Post
          Cunningham might be more skilled than Chisora but I'd still say Fury had a completely different approach back then to how he does now.

          The height difference doesn't look too much because it isn#t much - 3 inches in height isn't anything major.
          While at least you recognize that there isn't much of a height disparity, because I've seen some people give Fury a good chance in part because he'll supposedly tower over Wlad, which clearly isn't the case.

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          • #55
            I didn't compare Fury to Lennox, but Fury to Vitali, and Wlad to Lennox. But not as much to comment on quality (although I do rate Fury higher than most), but I was comparing it as a fight.

            Here is how I see it..

            Wlad is not ******, and although he said he didn't watch Fury, you bet he did. Maybe not as much as Fury studied Wlad, as Fury already showed he knows all details of Wlad's fights. First he mentioned Jennings fight and Wlad punching himself, than he was commenting on Wlad's arsenal - 1,2 punch, jab and left hook. So obviously Fury did his homework very well.

            I recently re-watched Wlad-Sanders, Wlad-TT(1) and I was favoring Tyson in this fight. But then I re-watched Wlad-Peter(1), Wlad-TT(2) and Wlad-Wach and it made me think this fight is so unpredictable that I can only call it 50:50.

            Wlad from Sanders fight was a different man. However, contrary what most think, that fight showed to me that Wlad has a very solid chin. He was up and down 4 times, from monstrous clean punches. I don't think anybody with the weak chin would be able to get up from that. But he was panicking, not having a clue how to defend when hurt. On top of that I remember how much problems TT gave him in the first fight. Wlad's jab was ineffective, southpaw/awkward style made it very difficult for Wlad to dominate how he usually does. So panicking and not knowing how to defend against big, awkward southpaw didn't sound good for Wlad...

            But then I re-watched Peter(1). Although down multiple times, he wasn't panicking (although he looked exhausted at times). He wasn't able to hurt Peter until the last round still he was boxing great. This showed to me that somehow he rebuilt himself mentally (very important when you facing Fury). Since that fight he was hurt a few times and IMO every time he reacted extremely well (very atypical to pre-Sanders Wlad). Recently, when Wach connected clean on Wlad, he showed some great survival skills. He wasn't holding (as Wach is a bigger man), he didn't try to fight back (as in Sanders fight), but he covered up, waited for storm to end and used lateral movement. IMO some great stuff. Wlad-TT(2) showed to me that Wlad can be much more illusive when he needs to be. He dropped his typical style and he didn't rely on jab at all. He was leading with the power punches. IMO this might be very effective against southpaw(when he switches) Fury.

            I think Fury will come in the orthodox stand trying to win the jab battle. That won't work as Wlad's jab is way superior. Than Fury will soon be switching to southpaw and this will cause Wlad some problems. Wlad won't be able to control the fight with his jab, but he will need to rely on left hook/straight right. Fury will most definitely try to bring the fight inside. Both men are very strong and I don't give significant advantage in this respect to none. So Wlad's leaning won't work, and Fury's physical imposing won't work. They will need to fight. Wlad will win some rounds due to his precision and Fury will win some rounds due to his awkwardness. The critical part of the fight IMO is wether Fury will be able to take and possibly get up from Wlad's power punch and on the other side will Wlad be able to keep up with the high tempo in rounds 8-12. I honestly have no idea.

            Wlad didn't look very comfortable in the later rounds of Jennings fight and Fury never showed any slowing down in the later rounds even when he was blob of fat.

            It's 50:50 for me and it might be the fight we will talk about for many years.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Levity View Post
              Tyson Chandler is an NBA player who was credibly measured without shoes at 6'11.5" for the NBA draft....they need these heights to be accurate for drafting purposes. There is a pic with him and Fury next to each other, and Chandler looks to be at least 4 inches taller than Fury accounting for their posture...suggesting that Fury's 6'9" listing is bogus.

              If you think there is a 3 inch difference between Wlad and Fury in the recent pictures you have a poor idea of what a 3 inch difference looks like.
              The only picture I can find of this guy and Fury isn't at all useful - neither is standing straight up. I'm also intrigued as to how you 'account for posture' accurately?

              And with guys between 6.5 and 7 foot, a 3 inch difference looks exactly like that.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by alexKO View Post
                The only picture I can find of this guy and Fury isn't at all useful - neither is standing straight up. I'm also intrigued as to how you 'account for posture' accurately?

                And with guys between 6.5 and 7 foot, a 3 inch difference looks exactly like that.
                Chandler is hunched over to the side while Fury is close to straight up, meaning Chandler is giving away significantly more height, but even then the top of Fury's forehead only comes up to Chandler's eyes.

                But height itself isn't as important as the impact it has on the bout. We can clearly see in the recent pictures that Fury doesn't come close to towering over Wlad, so people counting on Fury having an advantage because he's much taller should probably adjust their opinions.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Levity View Post
                  Chandler is hunched over to the side while Fury is close to straight up, meaning Chandler is giving away significantly more height, but even then the top of Fury's forehead only comes up to Chandler's eyes.

                  But height itself isn't as important as the impact it has on the bout. We can clearly see in the recent pictures that Fury doesn't come close to towering over Wlad, so people counting on Fury having an advantage because he's much taller should probably adjust their opinions.
                  Whoever is hunched over more, it's not really a reliable picture.

                  I agree, the height disparity isn't important in this fight and I think height is overplayed in a lot of fights. Reach is far more important and, assuming both 81" and 85" are accurate, Fury does have a slight edge in that department. Not that I'd put money on him winning.

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                  • #59
                    Fury looks like he's about an inch taller, but definitely not 3 inches as their reported heights would indicate.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Cuban Linx View Post
                      Fury looks like he's about an inch taller, but definitely not 3 inches as their reported heights would indicate.
                      If Fury is an ich taller, both men are under 3 foot using those same proportions.

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