Ring Magazine P4P rankings are trash

[dan_cov]

Was expecting a lot worse going by the title, the list doesn't look too bad to me. A few I'd disagree with but on the whole it looks fairly solid for once.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

1 floyd
2 Ward
3 Rigo
4 wlad
5 kovolev
6 roman
7 ggg
8 manny
9 crawford
10 canelo


Honorable mention- lomachenko

[BrometheusBob.]

Lol dude look up the history of p4p and who it was created for and who was in it. Heavyweights were never in the discussion because in reality the heavyweight champ is the best boxer on the planet not in some ****** mythical matchup. ****in goof, learn history before you make an ass out of yourself.

I'm almost positive that The Ring started keeping a P4P list right around the end of the 80s. I looked up some of their earliest p4p lists and found...

*1989: #1 Mike Tyson
**1990: #6 Evander Holyfield, #7 Mike Tyson
**1991: #4 Evander Holyfield, #6 Rid**** Bowe
etc...

But I'm honestly not aware of P4P lists prior to that point in time. Please enlighten me. I'm almost positive that the P4P lists were not intended to exclude Heavyweights, but my knowledge of boxing before 1980s is honestly a little lacking, so feel free to give me something concrete other than a mad comment and Red K.


*http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1980s
**http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1990s

[BrometheusBob.]

Lol dude look up the history of p4p and who it was created for and who was in it. Heavyweights were never in the discussion because in reality the heavyweight champ is the best boxer on the planet not in some ****** mythical matchup. ****in goof, learn history before you make an ass out of yourself.

What's most upsetting about this comment is that you seem to lack the ability to admit that you can compare boxing ability and resume across weight classes. Are you gonna tell me if Julio Cesar Chavez Jr's fat ass KO'd Rigondeaux with one punch that he's a better boxer? That his resume is suddenly not ****? Heck, why even have weight classes at all?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I'm almost positive that The Ring started keeping a P4P list right around the end of the 80s. I looked up some of their earliest p4p lists and found...

*1989: #1 Mike Tyson
**1990: #6 Evander Holyfield, #7 Mike Tyson
**1991: #4 Evander Holyfield, #6 Rid**** Bowe
etc...

But I'm honestly not aware of P4P lists prior to that point in time. Please enlighten me. I'm almost positive that the P4P lists were not intended to exclude Heavyweights, but my knowledge of boxing before 1980s is honestly a little lacking, so feel free to give me something concrete other than a mad comment and Red K.


*http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1980s
**http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1990s

They had them in the 70s and early 80s

[boxinghead530]

All p4p list are subjective and can be criticized. To me they don't hold any merit and I can care less who is at the top or at the bottom or this and that. I can recognize a good fighter and I don't need to list them to make them relevant. All the fighters on the list are very good and there are lots not on the list who are very good.

[BrometheusBob.]

They had them in the 70s and early 80s

Ah I guess I wouldn't know, thanks for clarifying. What are your thoughts on HWs and P4P lists?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ah I guess I wouldn't know, thanks for clarifying. What are your thoughts on HWs and P4P lists?

Heavyweights can be on their but they gotta be legit HOF talent....

In my lifetime, I could see having Holmes, tyson, evander, lennox, WLAD, and possibly Bowe at his peak..

[techliam]

1 floyd
2 Ward
3 Rigo
4 wlad
5 kovolev
6 roman
7 ggg
8 manny
9 crawford
10 canelo


Honorable mention- lomachenko

I don't think Canelo, Ward or Crawford deserve to be on there

Ward has an argument, but he's so inactive and hasn't fought anyone of note for a long time. Canelo has two notable decisive wins, thats all. Angulo (lol) and Kirkland, both at Caneloweight I think. I think Crawford needs a big win, but has a lot of potential... I was concerned about him during the Gamboa fight where he seemed to struggle at times with a MUCH smaller fighter.

I'm not sure why Manny is so low given he lost to the best fighter of the generation. I'd put Uchiyama at the bottom of the list, the man has been the premier fighter on his division for years.