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  • Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
    First off Sweet Science is pretty much just a term hack boxing writers use these days not some illuminati code word for what boxing should be. Second, if you are getting hit & even Sweet Pea & Mayweather got/get hit you are gonna get some bruising so idk wtf that even means in regards to what you are suggesting. You can box in a phone booth or in a airport terminal & get bruised up so what that saying has to do with your stance is lost on me & has no logic to your stance.

    Bottom line for me is I'd be all cool with rule changes to make a more aggressive sport that non-boxing fans (ie "casual fans") would enjoy more, but you'd need to change the current rules of boxing to get to that point. In the meantime guys should use the style they either feel comfortable with or is the best style for their natural skills & attributes.
    There isn't a need to change rules, they just need to be enforced. Pulling your opponent in to you so he can't hit you isn't boxing. Holding his arm until the ref breaks you up isn't boxing. Constantly moving backwards while throwing no punches isn't boxing.

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    • Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
      Because fighter A risks losing the fight by getting caught with something that either KO's him or leads to a KO/TKO.

      The loss could mean a reduction in purse the next fight, losing a a fight where a title is on the line, loss of a #1 ranking which takes them out of a title fight, or, as in the case of Meldrick Taylor, you could suffer career ending damage in addition to a career trajectory changing loss.

      Now can you explain why fighter A should take that risk when a KO win and a UD win count the exact same?

      Thank you.

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      • Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
        Because fighter A risks losing the fight by getting caught with something that either KO's him or leads to a KO/TKO.

        The loss could mean a reduction in purse the next fight, losing a a fight where a title is on the line, loss of a #1 ranking which takes them out of a title fight, or, as in the case of Meldrick Taylor, you could suffer career ending damage in addition to a career trajectory changing loss.

        Now can you explain why fighter A should take that risk when a KO win and a UD win count the exact same?
        Mickey Bey agrees with you.

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        • Originally posted by LeonSpinxMwfpce View Post
          There isn't a need to change rules, they just need to be enforced. Pulling your opponent in to you so he can't hit you isn't boxing. Holding his arm until the ref breaks you up isn't boxing. Constantly moving backwards while throwing no punches isn't boxing.
          Agree. Simple, consistent enforcement of current rule-set would be a huge improvement in the game. Also, I really think the way fights are matched needs to be worked. Screw promoters keeping everything in-house, best should fight the best and earn their $$ according to what their rank/popularity are worth.

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          • Originally posted by LeonSpinxMwfpce View Post
            There isn't a need to change rules, they just need to be enforced. Pulling your opponent in to you so he can't hit you isn't boxing. Holding his arm until the ref breaks you up isn't boxing. Constantly moving backwards while throwing no punches isn't boxing.
            Fighting an excessive clincher with the ref doing nothing is tantamount to fighting two opponents. No different from hitting and running. It's amazing why there hasn't been anything done about it.

            Enforce the rules and the guy would immediately get disoriented and lost. Most likely he will fight for his life and the fight will spark action, thus entertainment.

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            • Originally posted by Sweet Jones View Post
              Mickey Bey agrees with you.


              Perfect example.

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              • Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                Because fighter A risks losing the fight by getting caught with something that either KO's him or leads to a KO/TKO.

                The loss could mean a reduction in purse the next fight, losing a a fight where a title is on the line, loss of a #1 ranking which takes them out of a title fight, or, as in the case of Meldrick Taylor, you could suffer career ending damage in addition to a career trajectory changing loss.

                Now can you explain why fighter A should take that risk when a KO win and a UD win count the exact same?
                And thats fine, but it's also why many fighters get labeled as "boring" and draw very little fan following or interest. Just look at what happened to rigo. A great talent but struggled to even find someone willing to promote him and a network to pick him up.

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                • Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
                  And thats fine, but it's also why many fighters get labeled as "boring" and draw very little fan following or interest. Just look at what happened to rigo. A great talent but struggled to even find someone willing to promote him and a network to pick him up.
                  Lets say the promoters made their agreement to pay a certain amount for the fight, then, say a KO gets another 15% of the cut, how many more guys would be content with a ud?

                  And lets be real, these guys don't care about seeing technical boxing, or the sweet science. Most of them preaching that crap in here are the ones who don't want to see a Lara vs Floyd fight.

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                  • Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
                    And thats fine, but it's also why many fighters get labeled as "boring" and draw very little fan following or interest. Just look at what happened to rigo. A great talent but struggled to even find someone willing to promote him and a network to pick him up.
                    Deevel916, a couple of dudes on NSB calling a fighter boring is no big deal. At least you got the point.

                    In Rigo's case, his promoter killed him publicly. So Rigo did just the opposite after HBO/TR let him go and he almost lost. Had he lost, he would have never gotten fights because he'd be in the "high risk, no reward" category instead of "boring".

                    So what would you choose-win boringly or lose excitingly?

                    If Rigo, Floyd, Winky are losing a fight and they continue to box instead of going balls out they are just as bad as Manny. Can't you understand that?

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                    • Originally posted by LeonSpinxMwfpce View Post
                      Lets say the promoters made their agreement to pay a certain amount for the fight, then, say a KO gets another 15% of the cut, how many more guys would be content with a ud?

                      And lets be real, these guys don't care about seeing technical boxing, or the sweet science. Most of them preaching that crap in here are the ones who don't want to see a Lara vs Floyd fight.
                      guys will still go for ud not ever fighter has ko power

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