The casual fans got it right, while "Hardcore fans" act like their ***** dont stink.

[El-blanco]

Bernard Hopkins breaks down the ******ity of this thread.

Bunch of moronic idiots who think a grown man is SUPPOSED to take punishment and be brain damaged because they spent a $100 and need to be "entertained".

Bernard's as dumb as some fans in here. Nobody is saying get punched in the face, it's so ridiculous to even suggest that. what fans want is drama. The problem now is, it's avoid, avoid, and punch enough to win the round. That's what people are sick of. James toney in his younger years had great defence but still brought action, same with Roy. Nowadays you got guys like Lara throwing twenty punches a round hoping to steal a round, it's pathetic.

[SilverMiles]

Most sports have evolved over time. I think most major sports leagues adopt or alter rules every year to some degree. The rules of boxing in 2015 allow for much variance in how you go about winning a fight. If you wanna change the rules of boxing, fair enough, but your current stance is a grumpy old man stance like those that said dunking wasn't "real basketball" or that the DH in baseball was bs or a million other things in every sport at one time.

All sports should be about winning first & foremost & if that doesn't entertain you than you shouldn't watch that sport or you should try to get the rules changed. Hell I love boxing as it is right now, but I wouldn't be opposed to changing the rules of boxing myself. I think going with lighter gloves & the ability to hit an opponent who's getting up from a KD like during the Dempsey days would make boxing WAY more exciting.

No I just think it's ignorant for someone to say oh the name of the sport is boxing not brawling, when the sport was called boxing during those times and the objective was to knock your opponent out.

Second people keep using the term Sweet Scirnce but totally ignore the latter of the saying which is Of Brusing.

Sports do evolve and fighters like Manny, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Toney, Marquez, Morales, MAB, Pryor, Arguello, GGG, and Kovelev are perfect examples of the evolution.

If you can't think on the fly while throwing punches you're a devolution of the sport.

[littlemac]

"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."
-George Foreman

[Cinci Champ]

The casual fans know what it's really about, they flick the channel, if it isn't going to entertain, they flick to the next. They wont waste their time or money on something that's boring.

While these Phony"hardcore boxing fans" have their heads so far up their a55e5, they act like their ***** don't stink out arenas.


These "Hardcore Fans" that don't stick up for the sport are to blame. We have "fans" bending over letting promoters/fighters take them for their money for stale fights.
Practically handing over their money, siding with the fighter's excuse for failing to entertain, and not sticking up for the boxing fans.

They keep lying to themselves, saying they don't get bored.

It's like they want people to know they enjoy watching paint dry, acting like there's some incredible stuff going on behind the scenes that will give them credibility.

When in reality, they're just sitting there, watching paint dry,wasting time, missing out on what the causals are doing, having fun .

You'll never catch the casual fan doing some dumb ***** like that, they're not that ******.


Stop lying to yourself, all these fights fit within two extremes
(Boring--------------------watchable----------------------Entertaining)

Where only about 5% of Phony "Hardcore Fans" would say a boring fight entertained them for what ever reason the use to justify it.

Now because the fake fans are not looking for the viewers best interest in "pure entertainment", fights have tipped over to the Boring side because they let fighters get away with it.



These fighters are now using the excuse of not getting hit, even if it cost them the fight. Fights on the line, and they wait it out, if the opportunity doesn't come as a gift-box birthday present, they're ok with it, even if it means loosing the fight.

As a result there's no passion from these fighters. They just come and take the pay check, no entertainment, just a dry transaction, taking you for your money and time.

there is one problem with that well use the fighter in youre sig. casual fans think lomenchenko is one most boring fighters alive hardcore fans think he is a pleasure to watch so i disagree completely

[Sweet Jones]

I don't know casual fans are funny. Most of them think they actually know how to fight whereas in other sports none of them think they can hit the 95 mph slider from a pro pitcher or dunk over LeBron.

Boxing is what it is. Good fights and bad ones. Just like 1-0 baseball games, defensive masterpieces in football etc.

I think the problem sometimes casuals think it's like a movie where you get hit and it doesn't hurt or you can just amp up the power pellets to dispatch your foe or neutralize someone way faster and more skilled than you by sheer will.

I think casual fans and some hardcore ones often have unrealistic expectations surrounding boxing whereas they don't in other sports.

All of this is absolutely on point.

[Cinci Champ]

Sure but people don't have to like them for it. And casual fans are the ones that pay for their paychecks, hardcore boxing fans are a minority. Boxing the only sport where the fans owe the fighters something lol.

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i dont agree boxing fans are like a cult. hardcore fans is what keeps the ratings at a certain threshold

[SilverMiles]

there is one problem with that well use the fighter in youre sig. casual fans think lomenchenko is one most boring fighters alive hardcore fans think he is a pleasure to watch so i disagree completely

Not true, my girl thought the Loma fight May 2nd was the best fight of the night. People like to see punches being thrown not someone trying to calculate when they should throw their jab.

[Vasyl’s dad]

"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."
-George Foreman

Yea, because jazz in 2015 is the best it has ever been.

[Bardock]

More spin. None of us are making any statement about Floyd's style when commenting on the specific Floyd/Manny fight. We are talking about what the draw of the fight was:

Manny's aggressive style vs Floyd's style of boxing

Floyd boxed, Manny failed to be aggressive because he couldn't cut off the ring and couldn't prevent Floyd from landing the right hand. Pointing this out is not suggesting the art of boxing is boring.

Winning, and not entertainment, is the priority of any fight. As such, the actions of any fighter, regardless of style, need to be geared toward winning. As long as they are, excitement should take care of itself.

The progression of the match determines what actions are necessary. If the boxer has a lead, he is not obligated to change and fight in a way that gives the opponent a better chance to win. The opponent needs to press for the win. If the boxer is losing and he continues to box, he is giving up the fight and should be called out for not abandoning that style to try and win.

So much flowmo is this post.

[SugarRayCurtain]

Fights get boring if fighters clinch too much like Klitscko and Mayweather Clinching is supposed to be illegal so really it should kept to an absolute minimal, but fighters like Floyd, Ward and Klitscko clinch excessively. To make matters worse it becomes part of their tactics to win a fight, especially Klit (he literally relies on it) and Ward.
This is boxing not MMA.

Running is also a problem, lara is a runner and sometimes Khan (vs Peterson and Maidana). You can move around the ring while keeping your form and then there is running. There is a difference.