The casual fans got it right, while "Hardcore fans" act like their ***** dont stink.

[Eff Pandas]

The job of any athlete in any sport should be to win. Fans of a sport should be deemed those entertained watching guys competing in said sport. Casual boxing fans just aren't fans of boxing is the main issue I see here if they only care about a certain type of fight taking place.

I don't really watch anything except combat sports, but when the Super Bowl comes around I might end up watching it cuz its an event, like so many fights end up being, & I can be excited or bored with it any given year, but I'd never say I'm a football fan.

[Eff Pandas]

The problem with some hardcore fans is that think they're smarter than they truly are.

The sweet science is not hit and not get hit. The saying goes "the sweet science of bruising" funny how so many of them leave that out.

And let's not forgot the only way to win s boxing match back in the day was to knock your opponent out, meaning you had to engage.

Watching a boring fight just to say you're a real boxing fan is ****** and childish. I've seen several fights that displayed the true meaning of the Sweet Science.

Morales vs MAB
Manny vs Marquez
Duran vs Leonard
Manny vs Morales
Hearns vs Leonard

Fuq watching two fighters doing more thinking than punching. This **** ain't fencing.

Most sports have evolved over time. I think most major sports leagues adopt or alter rules every year to some degree. The rules of boxing in 2015 allow for much variance in how you go about winning a fight. If you wanna change the rules of boxing, fair enough, but your current stance is a grumpy old man stance like those that said dunking wasn't "real basketball" or that the DH in baseball was bs or a million other things in every sport at one time.

All sports should be about winning first & foremost & if that doesn't entertain you than you shouldn't watch that sport or you should try to get the rules changed. Hell I love boxing as it is right now, but I wouldn't be opposed to changing the rules of boxing myself. I think going with lighter gloves & the ability to hit an opponent who's getting up from a KD like during the Dempsey days would make boxing WAY more exciting.

[hhs661]

People who box understand there is risk and death can happen. Getting hit is going to happen. If you don't understand that then don't watch.

True boxing is to hit and not get hit. And when you make your opponent miss you make him pay for that miss. That's true boxing. It's not run and get on your bike to not get hit, then occasionally hit a the guy back. That's not boxing, it's running.

Like I said true boxing is to hit then make you opponent miss and then make him pay for missing. That's what I like.

I love that type of boxing myself. as I do the trilogy type wars or even the vasquez-marquez 4 fight series. But you won't see me question any of them in regards to being real men when I'm a spectator watching from my living room or on my cheap seat at the arena.

That's the risk of the sport and they all go into it well aware of what could happen. Same thing with race car drivers. This is why they are paid such high amounts to take part in the sport. Don't want the risk? Don't become a boxer. But don't tell me you are concerned about your health and expect me to pay 75 bucks or more to watch you fight when all you do is throw 10 punches in a round and spend the rest of the time ducking and running.

As for the risks... I was at Leonard - Duran 1 and saw Cleveland Denny get beaten to a pulp by Gaetan Hart first hand. I am very aware of the risks.

What runner has you paying that much on ppv? I can't think of one fighter that runs and ducks, only throws 10 punches per round and has you paying to see it.

When a boxer, no matter their style, takes a knee, doesn't get up from the stool, quits during a fight or simply tells the ref or physician they can't go on is because most likely they're worried about their health, in my humble opinion. So are they not real men? Because according to you, anyone concerned with their health should play golf, leave boxing alone and aren't real men... right?

Good fight to go to. Now do you know who's died due to boxing in the ring or after the fight this year? Most likely not, but only if they were runners, duckers or concerned over their health. Maybe then they'd be alive today.

[Eff Pandas]

I think casual fans and some hardcore ones often have unrealistic expectations surrounding boxing whereas they don't in other sports.

I think part of the problem the "casual" fans of combat sports have is there is no built in affiliation. If you're in Detroit & the Pistons are on TV you got a rooting interest out of the gate. The Pistons might suck or be great that particular game, but the fan has a side to cheer for right from clicking on that channel. I kinda feel like this is why ethnic makeup is so important in boxing. Cuz its really the only thing many of the casuals fans of the sport can identify with when flicking to ESPN in the 4th round of a fight. Its either root for the Mexican guy if you're Mexican or root for a phonebooth fight.

[Guest]

I think part of the problem the "casual" fans of combat sports have is there is no built in affiliation. If you're in Detroit & the Pistons are on TV you got a rooting interest out of the gate. The Pistons might suck or be great that particular game, but the fan has a side to cheer for right from clicking on that channel. I kinda feel like this is why ethnic makeup is so important in boxing. Cuz its really the only thing many of the casuals fans of the sport can identify with when flicking to ESPN in the 4th round of a fight. Its either root for the Mexican guy if you're Mexican or root for a phonebooth fight.

I was at a fight and a guy near me bet on the guy in the blue shorts. The other guy took the red.

I was just thinking the guy in the red is 20-0 and a killer and the guy in the blue is pure tomato can. This was ringside seats too.

Like if they knew anything at all they wouldn't have made the bet.

Most fans wouldn't do that in football basketball etc etc because they understand it better.

And you're right. Nationalism and even nationalist chauvinism will always be a part of boxing. People tend to need a rooting interest that appeals to their emotions.

[nivek535]

to a degree, i agree~!

sometimes a boring fight is exciting as **** when u know the buildup/what's on the line for each fighter.

so if it was 2 prospects fighting like mayweather vs canelo, despite the nice display of skills, itd be boring as **** to watch.

on the other hand, golovkin vs nobody would be boring to watch for someone who follows him closely, but amazing for a casual..

[sicko]

maybe they dont want to get hit and take unecassary punnishment to please casual fans

Nobody enjoys getting hit and no you shouldn't take major punishment every fight but you can still come forward and be slick and Defensive Minded. That is how Roman Gonzalez fight, he walks his opponents down and his still smart Defensively and still moves his head. I'm not saying to slug it out or brawl but when you're a young fighter trying to impress casuals...you have to leave a lasting impression! Casuals don't give a damn about you being undefeated or what title you have

[Guest]

Nobody enjoys getting hit and no you shouldn't take major punishment every fight but you can still come forward and be slick and Defensive Minded. That is how Roman Gonzalez fight, he walks his opponents down and his still smart Defensively and still moves his head. I'm not saying to slug it out or brawl but when you're a young fighter trying to impress casuals...you have to leave a lasting impression! Casuals don't give a damn about you being undefeated or what title you have

The problem is that not everyone is Roman Gonzalez.
I know a lot of fighters. There is not one that isn't dying to make a lasting impression. Maybe they got caught with something nasty from a journeyman and played a little careful but believe me they want to impress.
It just doesn't work out all the time. A ton of people watching you judging you critiquing you and the guy across the ring chances are people are watching him to and he is not laying down easy and he's trying his ass off because he's getting a check.

I often wonder if people get that part.

I think the guys that mail it and win easy are the exception rather than the rule.

[Chuckguy]

I agree with the TS for th most part. A lot of for hard boxing fans on here stick their noses in the air and act like their ish don't stink thinking they know it all. The ish on one fan base then go around and do the exact same thing. I enjoy watching Floyd's skill in the ring but even I can admit that he has been in some boring az fights and it is his fault because he is scared to go for the kill and chooses to coast instead. On the other hand PAC shows blazing speed and power against the likes of rios and margarito a or old past prime fighters but never really took the biggest challenges while going up in weight.
The great thing is we have this forum where we can go at it verbally and sometimes gain a different perspective

[Trayhezy]

Bernard Hopkins breaks down the ******ity of this thread.

Bunch of moronic idiots who think a grown man is SUPPOSED to take punishment and be brain damaged because they spent a $100 and need to be "entertained".