The casual fans got it right, while "Hardcore fans" act like their ***** dont stink.

[ea22]

If another man was trying to punch you in the face and in the process beat you a fight that you had been training fir for months on end, wouldnt you defend yourself?

Defense is a part of boxing. So long as the main objective is to punch the other guy more and harder than he punches you, defence will always be a big part of boxing.

Mayweather doesn't win because he only defends the whole fight, he wins because he lands more and better quality shots on his opponent in the majority of the rounds.

Find it entertaining or not, i dont care. That is what boxing is.

Did I ever claim otherwise? Defense is a part of boxing, a very important part, but it shouldn't take precedence over offense. Let me ask you something why do you watch boxing? I watch boxing because I want to see the best fighters in the world FIGHT each other. If action is all I cared about I suppose I could look at several bloody youtube fights, but I want to see the best fighters in the world duke it out, the best part is what makes the difference. Because of that when it stops being a fight, I lose interest, even if they are the best boxers in the world I want to see a fight, technique alone isn't enough, if that was the case there is a plethora of sparring matches for viewing.

I didn't mention Mayweather, but since you brought him up, whichever way you want to look it's a little embarrassing that the best p4p boxer in the world is so non-threatening that Ronda Rousey is considered a favorite in a real fight.

[BOXEO _]

Everybody has different tastes.

Some people like watching 5 hour marathons of M*A*S*H, lol.

I'd find that boring as *** but I wouldn't knock them for it.

It's like knocking somebody for the kind of **** they're into.

[ELPacman]

I respect fighters that are high quality boxers that don't KO or get into action fights in that they get in the ring... That's about as far as I let it go because on the entertainment value, they don't do much for me. It's not something I could hand my money over to get entertainment out of.

Example, I went to go see Cotto vs Joshua Clottey at MSG. I went with Cotto in mind that the action could be produced by him. Knowing Clottey could potentially box his way to a decision or make the fight boring with his peek a boo defense, but still taking a chance at watching the fight live. Now Cotto could of made it an entertaining fight if he had a willing dance partner, but Clottey was not. Fight ended up being quite dull and boring, and everyone I went with left disappointed even though Cotto got the W.

[sicko]

Its called "boxing" not "brawling" for a reason. If you can fight without getting hit , then why get hit ?

You can be a highly skilled boxer and still be exciting. Ray Leonard is a great example of that, Leonard wasn't a Brawler but Leonard wasn't afraid to get into Wars.

Mayweather has brittle hands and is almost 40 years old which is why he fights the way he does. WTF are these younger fighters excuses for all the backfoot fighting and not letting their hands go?

[ELPacman]

You can be a highly skilled boxer and still be exciting. Ray Leonard is a great example of that, Leonard wasn't a Brawler but Leonard wasn't afraid to get into Wars.

Mayweather has brittle hands and is almost 40 years old which is why he fights the way he does. WTF are these younger fighters excuses for all the backfoot fighting and not letting their hands go?

There in it for that quick big paycheck and to get out with minimal damage. It's like they lack that desire to be great that so many fighters had "back in the day". Now they a bunch of softies in there!

[LoadedWraps]

The casual fans know what it's really about, they flick the channel, if it isn't going to entertain, they flick to the next. They wont waste their time or money on something that's boring.

While these Phony"hardcore boxing fans" have their heads so far up their a55e5, they act like their ***** don't stink out arenas.


These "Hardcore Fans" that don't stick up for the sport are to blame. We have "fans" bending over letting promoters/fighters take them for their money for stale fights.
Practically handing over their money, siding with the fighter's excuse for failing to entertain, and not sticking up for the boxing fans.

They keep lying to themselves, saying they don't get bored.

It's like they want people to know they enjoy watching paint dry, acting like there's some incredible stuff going on behind the scenes that will give them credibility.

When in reality, they're just sitting there, watching paint dry,wasting time, missing out on what the causals are doing, having fun .

You'll never catch the casual fan doing some dumb ***** like that, they're not that ******.


Stop lying to yourself, all these fights fit within two extremes
(Boring--------------------watchable----------------------Entertaining)

Where only about 5% of Phony "Hardcore Fans" would say a boring fight entertained them for what ever reason the use to justify it.

Now because the fake fans are not looking for the viewers best interest in "pure entertainment", fights have tipped over to the Boring side because they let fighters get away with it.



These fighters are now using the excuse of not getting hit, even if it cost them the fight. Fights on the line, and they wait it out, if the opportunity doesn't come as a gift-box birthday present, they're ok with it, even if it means loosing the fight.

As a result there's no passion from these fighters. They just come and take the pay check, no entertainment, just a dry transaction, taking you for your money and time.

My excrement actually smells like roses. srs. Crazy huh? Who'd a thunk it. Guess being a wise sage versed in the art of the sweet science has its perks after all.

[brettWall]

I can tolerate running, but excessive hugging, I can't. Nothing can be done about it.

Excessive hugging is worse. About time fans start making their voices heard by demanding that refs who don't do anything about it should be suspended for good. Third clinch should produce a warning. Fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. should produce one point deductions. Now, we all know that there are hugging cases that can't be prevented because of the other guy's style. But the ref should be able to distinguish whether a guy uses excessive clinching as his main defense on inside fights.

[bigfo0t]

I don't think the arguement here is that "defense or defensive styles are bad for Boxing" (which isn't entirely without merit). Correct me if I'm wrong, but deep down we are all fight fans and many of us can appreciate good defensive skills like slipping punches/head movement, parry/blocking, counterpunching, etc.

It's just that other illegal "defensive tactics" are so often abused nowadays and hardly EVER penalized.. like excessive clinching/excessive clamping of an opponent's arm(s), hit & immediately clinch + rabbit punch, turning your back (literally) during an exchange, etc. These "tactics" are becoming more and more acceptable and common nowadays because nobody ever penalizes the "cashcows" for it and it seems to be starting to change the fundamentals of the sport.. for the worse.

[sicko]

There in it for that quick big paycheck and to get out with minimal damage. It's like they lack that desire to be great that so many fighters had "back in the day". Now they a bunch of softies in there!

And that is a major problem and that is why we're getting an inferior product all around in boxing! Pay Scales need to be adjusted, especially in PBC. Everybody is not worthy of $1 Million a fight!

[boxinghead530]

The sport of boxing in basic terms is hit and not get hit. These fools want to take away the not get hit part.

Dude boxing is more complex than hit and not get hit. Im a fan of all styles of boxing. I can appreciate a great boxer who can make you miss then immediately make you pay. Not just run to avoid a punch then every now and then touch you. A true boxer will make you miss then immediately make you pay for that miss. I appreciate that type of boxing. People get true boxing confused. I love James Toney for that type of boxing, he could make you miss while staying in the pocket using the shoulder roll, head movement, blocking a punch or whatever and then make you pay.

Anyways anybody that claims to be a hardcore fan should be a fan of all styles of boxing. I love that boxer who doesn't have the natural talent but just overcomes that with hard work, dedication to the sport and lots of heart. I love a guy who can get down and dirty. And I love the boxer type, but that boxer type better not be the one who gets on his bike to avoid a punch then every now and then try and punch you.