Comments Thread For: PBC on ESPN Averages 799K Viewers, Peaks at 1.1 Million

[-PBP-]

For anyone wondering how many years the investors are willing to pay these types of fees:




and this is what they hope to achieve:

Makes perfect sense. Investors don't think short term. The time to panic is not for another 3-5 years. Right now it's just about putting the fighters on the air and introducing them to a national audience.

[Lou Cipher]

The PBC aka Predictable Boring Crap is a total bust. Haymon is sweating bullets and farting Tootsie rolls.

[Weebler I]

But if no advertisers buy in, there is no TV deal. No big name sponsors have stepped up yet, and with under performing ratings, they're likely not going to.

This is an obvious flaw, which I can't see the argument against.

[Deevel916]

It's a simple idea really. Big capex now, hoping for a large exit event with a major TV deal. It's private equity 101. Think of building a brand name. Amazon wasn't profitable for years and years. They had to build the brand out, prove the concept. Haymon is walking away with a nice TV deal that will dwarf the money he's spending right now

It's wishful thinking and much easier said than done.

Its much easier to be a 3rd party online marketplace that sells goods than it is to build up profitable boxing stars. One loss and your plans can be seriously derailed. For example...Adrien Broner. He was being built up to be the next Floyd Mayweather. Look at him now. He's turned into nothing more than a laughing stock.

[North Star]

Advertisers buy space for shows with far worse ratings than PBC. They will definitely advertise on PBC..

Oh yeah? Which programs? If you are talking about syndicated shows which have already gone off the air, networks pay almost nothing to re-broadcast those and advertisers pay minimal.

[b Murphington]

Give it time and it will grow. You have to assume that almost all of the Friday Night Fights audience will switch over to watching PBC. It might be difficult to follow what channel they will be broadcasting on, as it's like 5 or 6 different channels, but the thing is still in its first few months. Plus you have to think that it would attract some new fans as well. They have enough fighters in their pool where eventually you will have a great brawl on your hands. It might not be a superstar vs a superstar, but that doesn't mean it can't have great action. And great action is really what attracts casuals and increases a fan base. Who knows. As time goes on, PBC might build a star.

[bigdunny1]

Makes perfect sense. Investors don't think short term. The time to panic is not for another 3-5 years. Right now it's just about putting the fighters on the air and introducing them to a national audience.

Not true at all. XFL was backed by huge investors and smart business people they aired on NBC to monster ratings to debut and they had a 2-3 year business plan and expected to have loses the first 2 years. Problem is the ratings tanked after their debut and fell every month and they like PBC were dependent on ratings to draw TV sponsors. They didn't have the ratings couldn't get TV sponsors and their product was simply too expensive and they lost more money then expected and that 2-3 year business plan went out the window with them folding after season one.

Investors plan for loses but did PBC investors plan for this kind of loses? The ratings debuted were mediocre at best and have fallen consistently since. They couldn't get any tv sponsors to start and it's almost impossible to expect them now when the ratings are spiraling down. They have to pay millions to the networks to air the show, they pay millions on these bloated fight purses that are far above market price, they pay for the advertisement. No TV sponsors to help pay, they are getting almost nothing at the live gate with tons of stories of how they can't sell tickets and are forced to give tons away and comp tickets each event. They are now added to huge lawsuits. They expected to lose money but did they expect a huge dumpster fire of their money and lawsuits? At some point like the XFL investors they will cut their loses and scrap the 2-3 year plan.

[MrRolltide91]

Not good numbers

[youbeight]

Not true at all. XFL was backed by huge investors and smart business people they aired on NBC to monster ratings to debut and they had a 2-3 year business plan and expected to have loses the first 2 years. Problem is the ratings tanked after their debut and fell every month and they like PBC were dependent on ratings to draw TV sponsors. They didn't have the ratings couldn't get TV sponsors and their product was simply too expensive and they lost more money then expected and that 2-3 year business plan went out the window with them folding after season one.

Investors plan for loses but did PBC investors plan for this kind of loses? The ratings debuted were mediocre at best and have fallen consistently since. They couldn't get any tv sponsors to start and it's almost impossible to expect them now when the ratings are spiraling down. They have to pay millions to the networks to air the show, they pay millions on these bloated fight purses that are far above market price, they pay for the advertisement. No TV sponsors to help pay, they are getting almost nothing at the live gate with tons of stories of how they can't sell tickets and are forced to give tons away and comp tickets each event. They are now added to huge lawsuits. They expected to lose money but did they expect a huge dumpster fire of their money and lawsuits? At some point like the XFL investors they will cut their loses and scrap the 2-3 year plan.

XFL had to compete with the NFL which was on the same platform, they were never gonna win taking that route. too much history and too much fans were built up on the NFL. PBC doesnt really have a competitor in terms of boxing on network TV unless someone else comes along and creates their "own" pbc. just my opinion thats all.

[-PBP-]

Not true at all. XFL was backed by huge investors and smart business people they aired on NBC to monster ratings to debut and they had a 2-3 year business plan and expected to have loses the first 2 years. Problem is the ratings tanked after their debut and fell every month and they like PBC were dependent on ratings to draw TV sponsors. They didn't have the ratings couldn't get TV sponsors and their product was simply too expensive and they lost more money then expected and that 2-3 year business plan went out the window with them folding after season one.

Investors plan for loses but did PBC investors plan for this kind of loses? The ratings debuted were mediocre at best and have fallen consistently since. They couldn't get any tv sponsors to start and it's almost impossible to expect them now when the ratings are spiraling down. They have to pay millions to the networks to air the show, they pay millions on these bloated fight purses that are far above market price, they pay for the advertisement. No TV sponsors to help pay, they are getting almost nothing at the live gate with tons of stories of how they can't sell tickets and are forced to give tons away and comp tickets each event. They are now added to huge lawsuits. They expected to lose money but did they expect a huge dumpster fire of their money and lawsuits? At some point like the XFL investors they will cut their loses and scrap the 2-3 year plan.

How did the forecasted losses per the business plan stack up to the actual losses incurred over the past 4 months?

And the XFL was NFL rejects while PBC has some of boxing's best.