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    By Lyle Fitzsimmons - It’s a funny thing about fight people.

    When it comes to guys climbing to the elite rungs on the status ladder, the folks in the stands won’t sign off until matches have been made with foes capable of providing a push.

    Problem is, when those pushes finally come – and even if they’re overcome – those same fans quickly exit the bandwagons, suggesting that anything less than full invincibility equates to fraud.

    Such was the case, for at least some, on Saturday night in Tampa, Fla.

    There, just a clogged highway drive from his hometown in Clearwater, would-be superstar Keith Thurman climbed in with a guy – 34-year-old Luis Collazo – who’d held a belt, been denied a decision or two and had generally been described as a “tough out” by any who’d encountered him.

    The match with the New Yorker was Thurman’s third since a prolonged injury-related absence. And the eighth-round surrender he induced while far ahead on all scorecards provided a third straight victory over opponents who’d brought 99 wins, 48 knockouts and three world titles with them to the ring.

    On the surface, it seemed all the versatile validation he needed.

    But by the time the parking lots had cleared out, the whispers had begun. [Click Here To Read More]

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    Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP View Post
    By Lyle Fitzsimmons - It’s a funny thing about fight people.

    When it comes to guys climbing to the elite rungs on the status ladder, the folks in the stands won’t sign off until matches have been made with foes capable of providing a push.

    Problem is, when those pushes finally come – and even if they’re overcome – those same fans quickly exit the bandwagons, suggesting that anything less than full invincibility equates to fraud.

    Such was the case, for at least some, on Saturday night in Tampa, Fla.

    There, just a clogged highway drive from his hometown in Clearwater, would-be superstar Keith Thurman climbed in with a guy – 34-year-old Luis Collazo – who’d held a belt, been denied a decision or two and had generally been described as a “tough out” by any who’d encountered him.

    The match with the New Yorker was Thurman’s third since a prolonged injury-related absence. And the eighth-round surrender he induced while far ahead on all scorecards provided a third straight victory over opponents who’d brought 99 wins, 48 knockouts and three world titles with them to the ring.

    On the surface, it seemed all the versatile validation he needed.

    But by the time the parking lots had cleared out, the whispers had begun. [Click Here To Read More]
    I'll be damned. Me and Lyle actually agree.

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    • #3
      Seems like I'm usually at odds with this writer, but this time I think he's got it spot on.

      Nice editorial.

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      • #4
        The backlash is equated to the level of hype the fighter receives.
        People are going to be more critical of a fighter that you can't go 12 seconds without hearing how he's going to be lineal in all weight classes and the only way he'll be challenged is if all the 4 beltholders in a division fight him 4 on 1.
        If you can't deal with people critiquing him, maybe lay off the kool-aid and be objective for once in your life.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by glenn mcrory View Post
          The backlash is equated to the level of hype the fighter receives.
          People are going to be more critical of a fighter that you can't go 12 seconds without hearing how he's going to be lineal in all weight classes and the only way he'll be challenged is if all the 4 beltholders in a division fight him 4 on 1.
          If you can't deal with people critiquing him, maybe lay off the kool-aid and be objective for once in your life.
          Yep the more the hype builds up the harder it comes crashing down. Emotional fanboys/manworshippers will go through emotional rollercoasters over this stuff.

          He's a decent fighter and it was a decent performance. Not much more or less.

          The real disappointment was Collazo quitting IMO. Physically he's very competitive, mentally he retired years ago.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by glenn mcrory View Post
            The backlash is equated to the level of hype the fighter receives.
            People are going to be more critical of a fighter that you can't go 12 seconds without hearing how he's going to be lineal in all weight classes and the only way he'll be challenged is if all the 4 beltholders in a division fight him 4 on 1.
            If you can't deal with people critiquing him, maybe lay off the kool-aid and be objective for once in your life.
            The thing is, even in hyperbole, this was never stated. Thurman has always been a guy who said I'll accept the challenges and if I lose, I lose. He didn't AB it and claim perfection. He had a challenging fight, but proved his mettle and should move forward.

            As for your last point, no "critiquing" is being done. "He ain't ****" or "he's all hype" are not critiques, they're just put downs. No one is saying which aspects of his game need to be worked on, or that he needs to be moved slightly slower so that he can develop the necessary skill set to be a star. No there are just sneers that do not advance anything.

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            • #7
              That little bit of vulnerability Thurman showed in the 5th will hopefully help him land a big fight. Blessing in disguise.

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              • #8
                Wow, I actually agree with Lyle.

                I hate that Thurman wouldn't stand his ground and exchange with Luis Collazo, but it's not like he was in some tough, competitive fight that wasn't going his way. He won every round but the round he was hurt in. He was hurt by a damn good body shot, which can happen to absolutely anyone.

                People are acting like, and in some cases actually saying, it was close and Thurman was losing momentum. It's ridiculous.

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                • #9
                  Khan looked better against Collazo, much better.

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                  • #10
                    Lyle, since you don't get it, allow me to explain. The PBC is trying to sell us Thurman as the heir apparent to the PPV and PFP thrones. As such, the expectations for him are higher than for other fighers. Looking good against a tired veteran is not enough, he has to look spectacular. Plus he spent an inordinate amount of time on his bicycle. This is not the stuff of a super star. He is a good fighter and may one day be a great one, but if you sell him as the next great thing then we expect great things. We didn't see them on Saturday night, and we haven't seen them in the last two years.

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