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  • UNBIASED BOXING
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    #51
    Originally posted by mastertech1985
    Manny definitely doesn't have the best resume of the past 25 years

    Roy Jones was considered p4p the best for an entire decade....you'd be hard pressed to find rounds he lost until the mid 2000's...that's a hell of an accomplishment

    Hopkins is the oldest champ ever and also is the only fighter in history not named **** Tiger, Bob Fitzsimmons to win titles lineal at 160 and 175

    Floyd has the same amount of lineal titles as Pacquaio...but Mayweather also has over twice as many title defenses and title fight wins


    those 8 titles at 8 weights is overblown considering there are 4 weight classes where he never faced the best opposition....wbc at 150 vs margo was a joke....david diaz at 135 was hot gawbage considering how deep the class was at the time....that WBOgus belt at 147 over Cotto who arguably got beat 2 fights in a row against Clottey and Margo



    Pacquaio is very accomplished a top 5-6 best of the last 25 years but his resume is overrated

    you have to consider who and when someone beat a guy for the strap and he beat a lot of guys after they got starched or beat up bad

    Yeah, so overblown. TIL moving up in weight is easy and you're guaranteed success when you do so.

    Moving from Flyweight to Junior Middleweight: feel free to tell me how many boxers have moved that many pounds through the course of their career and won titles.

    Top 5 boxers within the past 25 years (in no order) are:

    Floyd, Hopkins, Pacquiao, Roy Jones Jr., and... can we count Sugar Ray Leonard since his last two fights were in 1997 and 1991? Since he was technically still a fighter then, his whole career should be considered

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      #52
      Originally posted by SniXSniPe
      Yeah, so overblown. TIL moving up in weight is easy and you're guaranteed success when you do so.

      Moving from Flyweight to Junior Middleweight: feel free to tell me how many boxers have moved that many pounds through the course of their career and won titles.

      Top 5 boxers within the past 25 years (in no order) are:

      Floyd, Hopkins, Pacquiao, Roy Jones Jr., and... can we count Sugar Ray Leonard since his last two fights were in 1997 and 1991? Since he was technically still a fighter then, his whole career should be considered
      Beating great fighters mean more than title trinkets...PAC is a great great fighter... The 8 titles is overrated when you look at who he beat IMO

      Here are examples

      Jimmy mcclarnin beat world champs from flyweight to welterweight like PAC...he won one title at 147 e was most famous for his three bout series with each of five outstanding fighters - Barney Ross, Fidel LaBarba, Sammy Mandell, Billy Petrolle and Charles "Bud" Taylor and had victories over each of them

      Among others he defeated were Benny Leonard, Lou Ambers, Tony Canzoneri, Louis "Kid" Kaplan, "Young" Jack Thompson, Sammy Fuller, Young Corbett III, Jackie Fields, Al Singer, Ray Miller, Sid Terris, Joey Sangor, Ruby Goldstein, Joe Glick, "Sergeant" Baker and Young Nationalista


      Sam Langford beat champs And hall of famers from lightweight to heavy never won a title

      PAC did nothing unprecedented but win title trinkets from 112-150....fights being for belts ain't always the best fighting the best

      Charley burley never won a title but was a top ten contender at 147-160 a decade straight and beat champs guys in the hall...light heavyweights n even kayoed a guy who outweighed him by 50+ pounds


      Mickey walker won titles at 147 and 160 beat guys who held titles at 175 and even drew with and beat ranked heavies...one went on to be heavyweight champ

      Look at Roberto Duran...started at 126 and was world class up to 160


      Plenty of fighters had success jumping weights and their wasn't so many belts floating around

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        #53
        Originally posted by RichCCFC
        Pac looked unstoppable 2009-2011
        He kept winning fights he wasn't suppose to win. He never looked unstoppable, it was more like surprised every time he stepped up to the plate and won a fight you thought was a step to far.

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          #54
          QUOTE=!! Shawn;15858604]He kept winning fights he wasn't suppose to win. He never looked unstoppable, it was more like surprised every time he stepped up to the plate and won a fight you thought was a step to far.[/QUOTE]

          PAC never looked unstoppable... He wasn't this maestro or guy like Roy Jones, Whitaker, and Floyd who had no rivals in their prime


          These guys were clearly the best of their eras

          Manny was a rare gem....a great fighter who made great fights.... On the flip side...he has losses to his best opponents.... Jones n company hardly lost rounds in their prime

          Manny had rivals in morales n Marquez

          You are correct winning fights he shouldn't have made him a legend...cotto, dlh, hatton, basically anything he did over 130

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            #55
            Originally posted by aldo5408
            james toney should be up there unbelievable talent
            People criminally underate Toney. He was on Floyd level, skill and defense wise. I mean ****, you look at Prime Toney, he really was a beast. Speed power, combinations and slickness. He is a true oldschool throwback, as is Hopkins.

            Toney fought everyone also. There is no question in my mind if he stayed in shape, and was matched and managed as carefully as Floyd has been, and fought as sparingly, he would have been undefeated as well. It still doesn't make sense to me that Roy beat Toney. Its a shame that people think James Toney and they think of the fat guy. When he was prime and skinny, he was a BEASTs. The guy has landed over 400 punches in a fight 4 times, the only fighter in history to do that, which is just crazy.

            That what makes Roy #1. He beat two guys who are legitimate ATG's not just HOFers, but ridiculously skilled, and talented guys, and did it in their primes, and made it look like a cake walk.

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              #56
              Originally posted by !! Shawn
              People criminally underate Toney. He was on Floyd level, skill and defense wise. I mean ****, you look at Prime Toney, he really was a beast. Speed power, combinations and slickness. He is a true oldschool throwback, as is Hopkins.

              Toney fought everyone also. There is no question in my mind if he stayed in shape, and was matched and managed as carefully as Floyd has been, and fought as sparingly, he would have been undefeated as well. It still doesn't make sense to me that Roy beat Toney. Its a shame that people think James Toney and they think of the fat guy. When he was prime and skinny, he was a BEASTs. The guy has landed over 400 punches in a fight 4 times, the only fighter in history to do that, which is just crazy.

              That what makes Roy #1. He beat two guys who are legitimate ATG's not just HOFers, but ridiculously skilled, and talented guys, and did it in their primes, and made it look like a cake walk.
              Toney definitely belongs high on this list he was arguably p4p the best in the early 90s


              Is one of the few former middleweight champs or title holders who won more titles and held his own even at heavy

              Who is ever gonna do that again anytime soon?

              He should be top ten arguably top 5 if looked at from a certain criteria

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                #57
                The list isn't quite right, but I don't have it in me to dissect it right now.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by b00g13man
                  The list isn't quite right, but I don't have it in me to dissect it right now.
                  it has vitali klitschko on it is probably what was bugging you

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Chrismart
                    Boxing News magazine did a feature on this in their latest issue. Their list was :

                    Top 25 Fighters of the last 25 Years

                    1. Roy Jones Jr
                    2. Floyd Mayweather
                    3. Manny Pacquiao
                    4. Bernard Hopkins
                    5. Lennox Lewis
                    6. Ricardo Lopez
                    7. Pernell Whittaker
                    8. Julio Cesar Chavez
                    9. Juan Manuel Marquez
                    10. Evander Holyfield
                    11. Marco Antonio Barrera
                    12. Erik Morales
                    13. Felix Trinidad
                    14. Miguel Cotto
                    15. Shane Mosley
                    16. Oscar De La Hoya
                    17. Wlad Klitschko
                    18. Michael Carbajal
                    19. Vitali Klitschko
                    20. James Toney
                    21. Joe Calzaghe
                    22. Andre Ward
                    23. Kosta Tszyu
                    24. Michael Moorer
                    25. Dariusz Michalczewski
                    Not a bad list, the usual flaws of overrating heavyweights and the heavier weight classes and too much of an emphasis on fighters who fought on US tv. Naseem Hamed is the biggest oversight but there are others.
                    Last edited by Humean; 07-09-2015, 12:54 AM.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Humean
                      Not a bad list, the usual flaws of overrating heavyweights and the heavier weight classes and too much of an emphasis on fighters who fought on US tv. Naseem Hamed is the biggest oversight but there are others.
                      Agreed


                      I think he and mike Mccallum I don't remember seeing toney either or that high


                      Hamed made lil guys make big bucks

                      K.o.s, style, reflexes, power


                      IMO hamed made Barrera, morales triology what it was in essense

                      In the 90s hamed cleaned out 126



                      I'm only 30 but damn....leave out hamed


                      Vitali n ward lol
                      Last edited by therealpugilist; 07-09-2015, 01:40 AM.

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