Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: We'd Fight Ward at 164, 50-50 Split

[AKAcronym]

Ward put near 10k people into the building at Oracle Arena and Ward's TV numbers when he fought on HBO were about the same as what Golovkin is drawing right now, so what the **** are you talking about?

Golovkin packed 9k into the StubHub Center for the Rubio fight and, according to his promoter (meaning the actual number is likely lower, as it did not come with a corresponding gate figure from the state commission), brought in $500k at the gate.

Andre Ward, for the Dawson fight (as the numbers for Ward-Smith have yet to be made available), put 10k people in the building, sold 8k tickets, and brought in $700k at the gate. GTFOH

I'm not trying to **** on him at all but come on, they were literally giving away tickets and having Nipsey Hussle play a set. You can't say he put almost 10k because that's not quite true.

[Nay_Sayer]

I know, right? It's getting pretty ridiculous..

Here are the FACTS:

NEITHER GGG nor WARD were willing to meet at the other's weight.
ONE SIDE was willing to meet in the middle, the other was NOT.

..and the willing side gets labelled a "duck"? Really?

And yet Bum-love-kin had no problems with going to 168 for Baby Chavez and Froch.

Sounds like a DUCK to me...

[Jc8804]

Rigo wants loma to meet half way

Just like golovkin wants ward...


Two super fights all these guys gotta do is meet half way..

[Scipio2009]

should be 60-40 to ggg

weight 168

That'd be a logical place to start from (with both sides going through the economics that each party brings to the table, together, to lock down the actual final event split), but that would've actually made the fight likely for even Winter 2015 (December-February 2016) and it seems clear how ready to make that fight Team Golovkin has shown themselves to be, lol.

[Scipio2009]

what do you mean likely? its a fact that he does. ward doens't even sell as many tickets as ggg when ward fights in his hometown. ward and ggg both fought in LA and ggg gets over twice as many fans. he also brings in more tv viewers. how is he not considered the a-side? there's no threshold for being the a-side. the question is between 2 fighters who brings in more? the answer for ward-ggg is clearly ggg. the answer for ggg-froch would be froch and thats why ggg accepted to fight froch at 168 and in the uk. the difference is ward refuses to accept being the b-side so therefore the fight won't happen and yet you blame ggg simply because you don't understand the situation.

Ward brings more money at the gate than Golovkin and that's not even with much doubt; Loeffler finally acknowledging that Golovkin did $500k on the 9k+ that he put into Stubhub (similar pricing structure was used for the move to The Forum, so the gate increased some, but likely not by that much), compared to the $700k that Andre Ward brought in his for his just prior fight at Oracle Arena (announced attendance for Ward-Smith was about on par with Ward-Dawson, at a higher pricing structure for the tickets, leading me to believe that the gate increased).

This is an extreme example, but Floyd Mayweather Jr did $12m on 16,000 tickets for the Guerrero fight, while Saul "Canelo" Alvarez did $2m on 40,000 tickets.

who's the A-side at the gate? It's obvious, but I just want to see an acknowledgement.

You add that both Ward and Golovkin delivered similar HBO numbers for their fights (people trying to use the rating from BET's first fight telecast, that was competing against a primetime NBC telecast on the East Coast [as the fight was aired 10pm EST/PST] is laughable. You add to that the reported Ward numbers (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=681320) were counted across the entire 2-hour broadcast; included in the Nieves-Young fight, the Nipsey Hussle performance, and the dead time from the fight card ending early), and you miss on that point, too.

Why would Ward have to accept being B-side to anything when the objective evidence doesn't point to that being the case in any other position than Golovkin being an HBO darling?

There's not a fight where Golovkin is the "A-side" and he can bring in $700k at the gate, a figure that Andre Ward has been able to likely pass twice so far (and a figure that is likely now the baseline expectation for his gates out of his homebase in the 18k-seat Oracle Arena in Oakland, going forward)

[Scipio2009]

how many people watched ward vs smith on BET

Theres your answer on why ward is indeed the B side

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=681320

350k was the avg audience over the entire 2-hour broadcast; boxing audiences seem to generally grow over the telecast, and Nieves-Young and the music performance preceded the fight, so I expect that the audience for the actual Ward-Smith fight was well beyond the avg audience for the full show.

lol

[Scipio2009]

Andre Ward fans are desperate to claim a victory. It's not a duck until Golovkin turns down an offer from Ward. If Andre doesn't show any response to this initial offer, you have to admit he don't want none.




GGG fans atleast get to enjoy him crushing a can. SOG fans have to settle for him hugging & slapping his cans.

You obviously haven't watched any Ward fights, so why are you even here?

[Jc8804]

What if ward fights GGG in moscow?

Then who makes the better live gate?

Ward only fights in oakland.

He needed froch for the AC fight. Have ward go to vegas and see whats up. Ward does bradley numbers in reality.

A side spoke. 164 50 50 take it or duck

[Scipio2009]

ITT: Several people who have defended other catchweights shatting on GGG about this hypothetical one.

Team Golovkin were the ones, running around with the "no one wants to fight him" and "he whoops every fighter 154-168" nonsense, only to immediately ask for a catchweight once the 168 kingpin pulls their card.

Name one other catchweight that's being talked of by a fighter who talked as much **** as Team Golovkin did. lol

[Scipio2009]

I'm not trying to **** on him at all but come on, they were literally giving away tickets and having Nipsey Hussle play a set. You can't say he put almost 10k because that's not quite true.

To try and act as if Andre Ward didn't sell any tickets in Oakland, when he was already able to sell 8k tickets for the Dawson fight in 2012 (over 10k people in the building, so some tickets were given away, in an 18k-seat building no less) is downright disrespectful; LA-based Nipsey Hussle playing two songs, which was his entire participation in the event, didn't move tickets either.

Hear NSB tell the story, and you'd get an entirely different picture.