Comments Thread For: Team Golovkin: Photos From Froch, No Word From Hearn

[ИATAS]

Exactly !

Decision-making is about risk/reward.

So when you complain about the money for Ward, and then fight Willie Monroe for peanuts..... then the risk is the relevant point, not the reward.

He got a career high payday against Monroe - $1.5 million.

You also have to remember who was available in May for Golovkin:

Andy Lee vs Quillin was set.
David Lemieux vs N'dam was set.
Cotto passed on GGG and went with Geale.
Canelo had James Kirkland.
Lara was set to fight Rodriguez
Ward was set to fight his tune up.
Chavez was set to fight Fonfara

So Golovkins options were Monroe, Heiland and Johnson. Monroe being a southpaw and on paper the most difficult of style to fight against. Golovkin fought the best middleweight available to him.

Golovkin should be screaming for a defining fight, but he is content to matchup against lower level opponents whilst his PR team paint pictures and tell stories to the casual fans.

Like how he's screaming for Froch? Talking about it every chance they get. Or how he screamed for Sergio Martinez, Cotto and Chavez?

But try explaining that fact to excuse-making fanboys like HeroBando.

Stop making excuses Team Golovkin, you are nearly as bad as Team Pacquiao.

These aren't excuses, this is the reality unfortunately. I'd love to have him fight all the guys I mentioned, including guys like Lara and Ward. Ive always maintained, if there aren't any better fights available, fight Lara. Posters like myself however need to point out on NSB that there is currently a HBO/Haymon rivalry going on which will almost certainly prevent this fight from happening, because clueless people on here say "Golovkin duckin Lara doe" as if there is any reason for a middleweight to duck a junior middleweight like Lara. Regardless, if HBO/Haymon can come together and Lara is truly down to fight at 160, I hope it happens next. It's a name on his resume so that's good at least. As for Ward, ideally I'd like to have Golovkin accomplish his goal at 160 by winning the lineal crown and/or unifying 160 and then fight Ward sometime next year, like in winter. That way Ward will get another fight or two in and the fight will be much bigger, after Golovkin legitimizes himself and Ward is back on track staying active.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That sounds like a whole lot of opinions.
Why doesn't Hearn say "GGG come to London and fight DeGale at 168"?
Then they run the risk of GGG actually accepting that then DeGale will have to post pics of himself flexing on twitter and talk his way out of the fight lol
Douche

DeGale isn't the one running around saying that no one will fight him. GGG is apparently desperate for an opponent so why not make an offer?

Again you're making pre-emptive excuses and blaming Eddie Hearn when it was Loeffler who shat on the idea of the fight.

[KTFO]

Exactly. My beef isn't with GGG or his ability. I just feel is team is full of **** and is not doing everything in their power to make fights with the best available opposition from 154-168.

They seem content beating up stumblebums while waiting for a phone call. If I'm a hater for calling it like I see it and not joining this circle jerk parade then so be it.

Couldn't have said it better myself. They have played out the victim card and need to change strategies. Floyd/PAC took the short end of the stick to establish themselves...30-70 split with Oscar comes to mind. I'm starting to think team GGG is content on cashing in their 7 figure checks to fight mid level comp 4 times a year. Why not make Froch an offer he can't refuse?

[i'm a fun haver]

DeGale isn't the one running around saying that no one will fight him. GGG is apparently desperate for an opponent so why not make an offer?

Again you're making pre-emptive excuses and blaming Eddie Hearn when it was Loeffler who shat on the idea of the fight.

Ok, resumef@g. Who has the better resume, Froch or DeGale?

[Eastcoast]

Let me get this straight, GGG haters are b*tching because Golovkin is telling reporters that he's willing to go up a weight class and fight Froch in his backyard all while Froch is talking and tweeting that he's too big for Golovkin?

And again, Golovkin is worth more money to Froch than DeGale. DeGale might/might not draw a bigger gate than Golovkin/Froch and maybe/maybe not sell more UK ppv's. IF it is more, then it's a negligible amount relative to the other monies Golovkin brings to the fight. Golovkin sells his fights in Germany, Poland, Russia, Khazakstan, South Korea, large portions of Eastern Europe and some countries in Africa as well. Additionally HBO would pay way more for Golovkin/Froch than DeGale/Froch (if they even buy DeGale/Froch at all). DeGale is hardly a major headliner in the UK - Eddie Hearn uses DeGale for his undercards.

There are some trolls on here saying he's avoiding Ward & Lara. To avoid someone means those guys sent offers or atleast attempted negotiations to make a fight with you. Ward nor Lara have never attempted to make/negotiate a fight with Golovkin, they only talk in the media that they want it when in reality they've never tried.

What we do know is Ward turned down a fight years ago with Golovkin, early in Golovkin's HBO career. We also know Ward was unable to fight due to promotional trouble and since then is unwilling to take/make a tough fight until he has his tuneups. We also know Lara's adviser recently tried to block Golovkin from using the LA Forum in his last fight.

[Eastcoast]

As for Ward, ideally I'd like to have Golovkin accomplish his goal at 160 by winning the lineal crown and/or unifying 160 and then fight Ward sometime next year, like in winter. That way Ward will get another fight or two in and the fight will be much bigger, after Golovkin legitimizes himself and Ward is back on track staying active.

Not me. I want this fight soon as possible while Golovkin is near his prime. It won't be anything like Kessler, Froch, or Abraham. This fight will be much more like the Bika fight, rough & nasty. The exception being Golovkin is much more accurate, intelligent, and disciplined than Bika. If they get a ref who'll penalize for excessive clinching Ward gets stopped.

A win over Ward validates his resume to a gold standard.

Loeffler said they're in negotiations with someone (and it wasn't Hearn), so I'm hoping it's Ward. Could be Rameriz to though.

[aboutfkntime]

Exactly. My beef isn't with GGG or his ability. I just feel is team is full of **** and is not doing everything in their power to make fights with the best available opposition from 154-168.

They seem content beating up stumblebums while waiting for a phone call. If I'm a hater for calling it like I see it and not joining this circle jerk parade then so be it.

Yep, I agree with you.

And I dont have a problem with Golovkin.

I dont even have a problem with Golovkins opponent selection.

I have a problem with his current standing within the sport, based on his opponent selection.

HOW LIFE WORKS: you reap what you sow.

Golovkin will be judged, in hindsight, by the quality of his body-of-work.

Just like everybody else.

It doesn't matter what the fanboys are saying about him now, history will judge Golovkin based on quality of wins, just like everybody else.

He can retire after fighting a dozen more Monroe's, I dont have a problem with that..... because history is not a lust-driven fanboy.

If Golovkin stays where he is now, he will be quickly forgotten, regardless as to what the casual fans think. Golovkin will have to step up to make it in our world..... if he does, great..... if not, no problem.

Listening to the current over-inflated hype is my only issue.

It demeans the sport.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

DeGale is hardly a major headliner in the UK - Eddie Hearn uses DeGale for his undercards.

That was before he won a world title. DeGale is certainly a headliner now. He got the biggest ovation of the night on Hearn's last PPV card and he wasn't even fighting.

[aboutfkntime]

He got a career high payday against Monroe - $1.5 million.

You also have to remember who was available in May for Golovkin:

Andy Lee vs Quillin was set.
David Lemieux vs N'dam was set.
Cotto passed on GGG and went with Geale.
Canelo had James Kirkland.
Lara was set to fight Rodriguez
Ward was set to fight his tune up.
Chavez was set to fight Fonfara

So Golovkins options were Monroe, Heiland and Johnson. Monroe being a southpaw and on paper the most difficult of style to fight against. Golovkin fought the best middleweight available to him.



Like how he's screaming for Froch? Talking about it every chance they get. Or how he screamed for Sergio Martinez, Cotto and Chavez?



These aren't excuses, this is the reality unfortunately. I'd love to have him fight all the guys I mentioned, including guys like Lara and Ward. Ive always maintained, if there aren't any better fights available, fight Lara. Posters like myself however need to point out on NSB that there is currently a HBO/Haymon rivalry going on which will almost certainly prevent this fight from happening, because clueless people on here say "Golovkin duckin Lara doe" as if there is any reason for a middleweight to duck a junior middleweight like Lara. Regardless, if HBO/Haymon can come together and Lara is truly down to fight at 160, I hope it happens next. It's a name on his resume so that's good at least. As for Ward, ideally I'd like to have Golovkin accomplish his goal at 160 by winning the lineal crown and/or unifying 160 and then fight Ward sometime next year, like in winter. That way Ward will get another fight or two in and the fight will be much bigger, after Golovkin legitimizes himself and Ward is back on track staying active.

Look, you seem like a genuine fan, and are obviously reasonable/knowledgable, so I dont wanna brush you off like I did that other guy.....

But like I said earlier, the situation (excuse) that you described above works for 12 months, maybe even for 24 months, but not forever.

Golovkin is a 9 year middleweight veteran.

Look, I admit it is not this simple, but bear with me..... finance? fkn simple, take the fkn fight to establish yourself, the same way a pile of top fighters did previously.....

And Froch is not a defining fight, it is a defining payday.

What defines Froch are the rounds he lost to Ward.

When Canelo wanted to build a better resume, and a better standing with the fans, he DEMANDED Lara..... and he did that against the wishes off his promoter.

Compared to what Canelo did, it seems to me that Golovkin aint prepared to lift a finger to genuinely establish himself among the top echelon fighters..... all we get are reasons (excuses).

I am not one of those fans who demand everything today..... I have been around awhile now..... so I have no problem waiting for Golovkin to make some real waves..... just so long as I dont have to listen to too much hypola in the meantime.

When he wins meaningful fights, then I'll take notice, until then, meh.

[aboutfkntime]

Couldn't have said it better myself. They have played out the victim card and need to change strategies. Floyd/PAC took the short end of the stick to establish themselves...30-70 split with Oscar comes to mind. I'm starting to think team GGG is content on cashing in their 7 figure checks to fight mid level comp 4 times a year. Why not make Froch an offer he can't refuse?

Exactly !

And so did a plethora of world-class fighters.

Where did the unjustified sense of self-entitlement come from ?

The other guys earned it the hard way.