Comments Thread For: Top Rank Sues Al Haymon For Over $100 Million

[HeroBando]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/bu...ns-on-hbo.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/03/19/floyd-mayweather-defection-to-showtime-is-last-straw-as-hbo-drops-golden-boy/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showtime_(TV_network)

21.3m homes in January 2012, ~22m homes by March 2013, and ~27.7m homes as of February 2015. If there was any other possible catalyst to drive near 6m homes to pick up Showtime just after Floyd signed with Showtime, I'd like to read it.

Beyond that, when Showtime signed Floyd to the 6-fight deal, they weren't just getting 6 PPV fights; they got all of the support programming featuring Mayweather (All Access, etc), they were able to air the fight replays on Showtime, and they also got all of the 'Mayweather Sweepstakes' fight cards (Canelo-Trout, Maidana-Broner, Porter-Brook, etc), in addition to having boxing's biggest star as the face of Showtime Boxing

All major premium cable networks posted subscriber growth in the most recent fourth quarter of 2014, which also featured a different pecking order for the first time in years, with Starz (23.3 million subscribers) edging Showtime (22.8 million) to finish No.2 behind perennial leader HBO (31.4 million).

[Mitchell Kane]

Once HBO decided to run a competing card on the same night, there was no reason to keep talking about the massive number, since the audience would've been halved anyway. Again, people don't keep timelines for anything here.

Nice try, Scip...

Here is when you posted that: 05-12-2015, 04:50 PM

Here's what Dan Rafael reported THREE DAYS PRIOR to that:

Notes: Walters, Wilder title defenses scheduled

Featherweight titleholder Nicholas Walters (25-0, 21 KOs), of Jamaica, will headline a Boxing After Dark card on June 13 (HBO) at the Theater at Madison Square Garden in New York. Walters will square off with Colombian puncher Miguel Marriaga (20-0, 18 KOs), according to HBO.

Heavyweight titlist Deontay Wilder (33-0, 32 KOs) will make his first defense on June 13 on Showtime, the network said.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/12806/notes-walters-wilder-title-defenses-scheduled

So, go on about those timelines some more...

[SplitSecond]

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[Mitchell Kane]

I don't enjoy seeing fights where the favorite walks in 40:1 up, To me that's not fun to watch.

What were the ODDS for Wilder-Molina and Walters-Marriaga?

[Scipio2009]

Expect that the ad revenues the could command come nowhere near to what they are spending on each show,

I have no idea what 30-second and 15-second ad spots go for, but the PBC broadcasts have 30-40 minutes of ad space to sell.

~$3m per show, and you're basically needing to sell each ad minute for $100,000. If PBC continues to show that they offer the most "**** for the buck" for advertiser seeking to reach that 18-54 demographic on Saturdays (in the afternoon and primetime), I doubt that it'd be difficult for PBC to sell the 30-second spots for more than the $50k a pop needed to meet the guess.

With Honda, Procter&Gamble (Gillette razors), and other companies comfortable enough with the way that Haymon is presenting the sport to advertise their products there (and Corona already having a title sponsor deal with PBC), the issue of selling enough ads is unlikely to be an issue for all that long.

You add the "occasional" times when massive money actually comes from the gate (Garcia-Peterson did over $1m at the gate, Omar Figueroa Jr selling out his show in his home region, Arthur Szpilka helping draw on the Chicago shows, Thurman is likely to draw a good number for his show in Tampa, Mares-Santa CruZ will likely do strong business at the Staples Center, etc), and the reliance on the ads.

Haymon's got, once you add up the NBC/NBCSN dates, the CBS dates, the ESPN/ABC dates, the Spike TV dates, the BounceTV dates, the coming Spanish-language dates (unless the FS1 deal comes with dates on Fox, I'm pretty sure that Haymon is simply replacing the content on the original pay deal), 75-100 TV dates to work with over the next 2-3 years.

40 minutes of ad space per show and you're looking at 3,000-4,000 minutes of potential ads to sell, at $100k per minute ($50k for a 30-second spot), with the potential of bringing in $400m in ad revenue over the course of the deal. I seriously doubt that the amount brought in ends up being $400m, but I wanted to offer a point of reference.

You add in the live gates (of the 75-100 shows, I believe that 30-50 of them will contribute to the bottom line), and there's a path to covering everything that is plausible and executable.

[Scipio2009]

Wilder-Molina outdrew both competing HBO fights that night even though SHO is in 5-10M less homes.

no need to point that out, especially on sites like this one, lol

[Scipio2009]

All major premium cable networks posted subscriber growth in the most recent fourth quarter of 2014, which also featured a different pecking order for the first time in years, with Starz (23.3 million subscribers) edging Showtime (22.8 million) to finish No.2 behind perennial leader HBO (31.4 million).

No source, so unsure where you got your numbers from (References section in Wikipedia linked the figure to a TV count site that pegged HBO's own homes number at around 35m homes)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...y-2015/366230/

someone's numbers are wrong; would appreciate a source.

[Scipio2009]

Nice try, Scip...

Here is when you posted that: 05-12-2015, 04:50 PM

Here's what Dan Rafael reported THREE DAYS PRIOR to that:

Notes: Walters, Wilder title defenses scheduled

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/12806/notes-walters-wilder-title-defenses-scheduled

So, go on about those timelines some more...

I'm not on Twitter or have an ESPN log-in, from which to get the instant alert when Dan Rafael makes a post, which you seemingly do, lol.

Since my life doesn't revolve around boxing all day and all night, I apparently missed the official public announcement of the fight by Mr Dan Rafael.

enjoy that one

[Scipio2009]

What were the ODDS for Wilder-Molina and Walters-Marriaga?

Wilder-Molina was 50:1 and, after having seen Molina in the Zambrano Love fight under Wilder-Stiverne (before then going back to watch the Molina-Arreola fight and Molina-Grano), the bookies had the odds wrong, embarrassingly wrong (not much of a gambler to begin with).

If I hadn't taken the step to look for the other fights, or not have even seen the Molina-Love fight, I probably would've skipped the fight tbh. Eyes don't lie often (Molina showed enough in the other fights, that I was pretty sure that he wouldn't fold in three rounds, could punch hard enough that he would do damage if he was able to land, and had a style that was different enough from what Wilder had faced previously that it'd be interesting to see Wilder work it out in his head first. Though Molina would end up getting stopped Rds 5-7, so he showed me that he had more than I thought).

Walters-Marriaga had odds of 8:1, I hadn't seen any of Marriaga's fights, and the only bits I've seen of Walters were him putting Donaire down in gifs, some of his loud mittwork with his trainer, and 1-2 interviews that he did after the Donaire fight.

You add that the fight was on HBO (which would've meant me heading to my usual fight bar to catch the fight) and I had zero interest in seeing the bout.

[HeroBando]

No source, so unsure where you got your numbers from (References section in Wikipedia linked the figure to a TV count site that pegged HBO's own homes number at around 35m homes)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...y-2015/366230/

someone's numbers are wrong; would appreciate a source.

http://deadline.com/2015/03/starz-no-2-pay-cable-network-subscribers-q4-2014-1201399405/
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/Starz-Has-More-Subscribers-Right-Now-Than-Ever-71631.html
http://www.thewrap.com/starz-q1-subscribers-revenue-earnings-encore-chris-albrecht/