Why did Dariusz Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr not happen?

[robertzimmerman]

Loudon?

It was an undercard fight. A fight that would make DM lose money as he could have made more in Germany hence the insult.

There was no guarantee for a Jones fight after so stop it. HBO could not give such a guarantee and Kohl full well knew how difficult it was to negotiate with Jones. He'd probably think that Jones would make ridiculous demands as he did previously, so you really shouldn't blame Kohl/DM. But you do which shows your inability to see it from another perspective than Jones's jockstrap.

How can you call me narrow minded and then write this?

How the hell was it an insult?

It would have led to a huge fight where he'd have had the opportunity to fight the man who'd ended up with two of his belts.

There was no official guarantee, because they never got to the stage where any specific terms were discussed, because there weren't any negotiations. The mere idea was crushed flat.

But are you telling me that if they'd have been open to it, that HBO wouldn't have guaranteed them a shot afterwards?

Are you kidding me? The whole idea of the double header was so they would meet afterwards. Otherwise, what was the point in suggesting it?

They obviously would have fought after if it had've gone ahead. HBO wouldn't have brought him over for nothing. You're kidding yourself.

And you don't think that Kohl was hard to deal with?

[BattlingNelson]

How can you call me narrow minded and then write this?

How the hell was it an insult?

I explained it in my post. I suggest you re-read it.

It would have led to a huge fight where he'd have had the opportunity to fight the man who'd ended up with two of his belts.

There was no official guarantee, because they never got to the stage where any specific terms were discussed, because there weren't any negotiations. The mere idea was crushed flat.

But are you telling me that if they'd have been open to it, that HBO wouldn't have guaranteed them a shot afterwards?

I am saying that HBO was in no position to guarantee anything. They are and where not a promotor and we all know how difficult Jones was in negotiations which I have already explained you BTW.

Are you kidding me? The whole idea of the double header was so they would meet afterwards. Otherwise, what was the point in suggesting it?

I'm sure that would have been the intention, but without a signed contract from Jones it was worthless and just a loss of money for DM and Kohl. Again. I already explained this. It's really not that difficult to understand if you look at it from their perspective.

They obviously would have fought after if it had've gone ahead. HBO wouldn't have brought him over for nothing. You're kidding yourself.

And you don't think that Kohl was hard to deal with?

I'm sure he was stubborn as well. After all DM was a major Star in Continental Europe.

[robertzimmerman]

I explained it in my post. I suggest you re-read it.

I am saying that HBO was in no position to guarantee anything. They are and where not a promotor and we all know how difficult Jones was in negotiations which I have already explained you BTW.

I'm sure that would have been the intention, but without a signed contract from Jones it was worthless and just a loss of money for DM and Kohl. Again. I already explained this. It's really not that difficult to understand if you look at it from their perspective.

I'm sure he was stubborn as well. After all DM was a major Star in Continental Europe.

We're going around in circles here.

Look, let's be realistic.

Kohl would not have brought Dariusz to the U.S. to fight as part of a double header, if a shot at Roy hadn't have been agreed in principle, with figures discussed.

Likewise, HBO wouldn't have gone to the effort of putting Dariusz on their network, without terms discussed for them to fight afterwards.

It's obvious that a fight between the two of them would have been discussed along with the double header. That should be obvious to anyone.

But you're trying to justify them turning it down flat, because there was no guarantee. Well you're just splitting hairs. Of course there was no guarantee at that point. Because it was just a faxed proposal at that stage. But specifics could have been discussed, had Kohl been open to talks. Then if he hadn't have been happy with the terms, then he could have turned it down. But he didn't. So what does that say to you?

You say he'd have lost money fighting on an HBO card. But what were his ambitions? I think you're right. I think he would have gotten a bit less for fighting on the double header. But again, Davis and Kohl are astute businessmen. Again, the double header would never have happened, unless terms had been discussed for a fight afterwards. That would have meant that although Dariusz may have fought for a bit less initially, he'd have been fighting Roy in a huge fight afterwards, for ALL of the LHW belts. So let's not pretend he'd have been out of pocket.

So again, tell me why Kohl and Dariusz weren't desperate to get Roy in the ring, to try and get Dariusz's old belts back?

Tell me why the proposal was an insult? Give me a logical explanation as to why.

At the end of the day, negotiations could have taken place, in the hope that they would have fought had they both won their respected bouts. But it was turned down flat by Kohl, and then they went on to fight Joey DeGrandis, Hall x 2, and Lakatos etc. So ask yourself this, were those the actions of a guy who really wanted a shot at regaining his belts?

He was obviously only interested in making easy money in WBO fights, some of which weren't even mandatories. Also, the WBO wasn't respected back then, and they became an absolute laughing stock with the whole Darrin Morris affair. If you're not familiar with that, Darrin Morris sadly died, yet was then bizarrely moved up their rankings. Also, I believe that Kohl was part of the WBO in some capacity. So their intentions seemed clear to me. His resume paints a very clear picture. Nobody who was serious about a fight with Roy, would purposely ignore calls and turn down proposals, to then go and fight a guy such as Alejandro Lakatos.

[richardt]

Which was how much exactly? You should know, since you've read it all.

10 mill to DM, 5 mill to Jones. Kohl had a long-standing offer for 5 mill for Jones in Germany. He rightfully did not take it because the PFP #1 fighter in the world does not take less than a guy who is second best in only a division.

[richardt]

Ok. I'll tell you just for the giggles. Kohl offered Jones 9M deutschmarks. Jones refused and wanted double that amount. 9M deutschmarks was about 5M USD. You are saying that DM was then going to get 10M which is absurd.

Don't be a fool. DM was getting 6 million a fight for the last couple fights so it is not absurd to think he would get 10 million to fight the number 1 PFP fighter in the world in a superfight. He was the modern day Schmeling with earning over 30 million.

Kohl's offer to Jones was done through the media, there is no word either supporting or not supporting if Kohl actually dealt directly with team Jones and HBO or Kerry Davis to make the Germany offer.

[richardt]

I meant in his prime, so that leaves out Tarver, Johnson, and Lebedev.What were Hill and Griffin's best wins before and after fighting Roy?

Roy Jones has fought 26 former, current at the time, and future world titlists throughout his career. Case closed! And anyone can pick apart every single fighter's resume dating back to the first great fighter and all that does is show bias against that fighter, rather than a realistic understanding of what each fighter brought to the table. I can play the devil's advocate on every single great fighter but that is not realistic or fair to what they accomplished. Yes, that is 26 current at the time, former, or future world champions. Chew on that.

[MrRolltide91]

was this gon be on ppv or regular hbo?

[Daddy T]

Probably the only fight in Roy's career where you could accuse him of ducking someone, but I wouldn't say that. The main reason this fight didn't happen was because each of them had no desire to go across the pond to fight each other.

However, Michalczewski also asked for much more than what he rightfully deserved and rejected multiple other opportunities to fight in the states on HBO to build the fight between him and Roy. He was offered $5million to fight Roy in the states but asked for $6million to fight Roy in Germany.

Just wasn't going to happen. You can also look at Michalczewski's resume and digest for yourself how willing he was to take up the top names.

However, he was a good fighter and this was a massive fight in the late 90s.

what about Steve Collins? Now imo Jones would have smashed collins to absolute bits. But it doesn't change the fact that he seemed to duck him.

[SplitSecond]

what about Steve Collins? Now imo Jones would have smashed collins to absolute bits. But it doesn't change the fact that he seemed to duck him.

Trying watching this, It's probably mentioned somewhere.
(Go to watch on youtube to find the other parts.)

[robertzimmerman]

was this gon be on ppv or regular hbo?

I think it would have been on regular HBO if Dariusz had've gone to the U.S. but I'm not certain.

They never got to the stage where the specifics were discussed.