Andre Ward is the best fighter over 160 easily

[lefthook2daliva]

He gets the talent and skill from his Irish father.

**** or gtfo.

[HEND]

it was pretty clear that no one won any rounds except pascal and he won 2 at most so how can you disagree? giving rounds to guys for taking punches?

are you implying that ward will clinch kovalev all fight? i agree! ward's great!

Pascal won 2-3 rounds in my book and Caparello won against him the one he knocked down Kovalev, maybe he was outfought the rest of the round but by the rules he won that... But the point wasn't this.

[HEND]

Froch is NO Kovalev.
Kovalev is superior to Froch in everything.
Campillo, Hopkins and Cleverly didn't win a round against Kov and Pascal at best won two.

Based on what? "eye test"? because their only common opponent was beaten by both of them and Froch beat a better version of him. Many people overlook the likes of Froch, Kessler and other "last generation" fighters just because Kovalev and GGG are the new flavour of the month and because the mistakes of the likes of Froch and Kessler pointed out in their long career against elite opponents, Kovalev and GGG's mistakes wasn't pointed out so obviously yet (they have pointed out at some oints already though) because
A: They just got the attention in the last 2-3 years. and
B: They didn't face as many top opponents as Froch, Kessler or I can say Ward too. In fact only Kovalev faced top opponent or top opponents, it's up to you if you count the 49 years old version of Hopkins elite or not (it's a nice win for Kovalev but I wouldn't obviously call that Hopkins "elite" anymore.)

So wait the judging the two compared each other till Kovalev's career ends too.

And for me that's the difference between Ward and all these guys. While I see Golovkin's, Froch's, Kovalev's mistakes, I don't really see Ward's yet, I don't see the holes in his game despite he faced some elite opponents so far, just like Froch.

[billeau2]

Ward is very skilled... very gifted... very intelligent in the ring...

... and he also masters various illegal tactics, which are obvious as they all are on tape... they are not invented by "haters"...

Unlike other sports in boxing its only as illegal as when the ref says you will get deducted for it. Very few fighters are above this axiom...Migel Cotto is one exception and unfortunately it got him beat up against a cheating Margarito.

Virtually all fighters take advasntage of this. Floyd often illegally hides the target areas of his body by ducking low, he holds at times and clinques.

Does Ward do this more than others? I tend not to think so, but its debatable. As far as headbutts go, Holyfield does a lot more than most, occasionally Ward does so, but there are legitimate clashes when fighting a southpaw. Most inside fighters, the few that are left are accused of rough tactics, for example Hopkins.

[MDPopescu]

Unlike other sports in boxing its only as illegal as when the ref says you will get deducted for it. Very few fighters are above this axiom...Migel Cotto is one exception and unfortunately it got him beat up against a cheating Margarito.

Virtually all fighters take advasntage of this. Floyd often illegally hides the target areas of his body by ducking low, he holds at times and clinques.

Does Ward do this more than others? I tend not to think so, but its debatable. As far as headbutts go, Holyfield does a lot more than most, occasionally Ward does so, but there are legitimate clashes when fighting a southpaw. Most inside fighters, the few that are left are accused of rough tactics, for example Hopkins.

I agree upon all of the above -- because I'm not a complete stranger to this sport...

I also know that, as I'm aware, Andre Ward is the only top P4P fighter to be deducted 2 points for excessive holding in one round...

[Tom Cruise]

Between him and Kovalev

[RealLifeMovie]

Ward's best win over the last two years is Paul Smith, who Groves and DeGale stopped in a earlier round. Smith was coming off two losses.



Without his illegal tactics, like deliberate head butts and clamping his opponents' arms, Ward would be a mediocre fighter.

LOL you trippin, ya boys fight like statues.

andre is crafty af and best p4p in boxing

[Cinci Champ]

honestly hes probably number 1 p4p already with floyd getting up in age. obviously no one will take mayweather off until he is beat or retires but honestly if ward stays active and is able to get good fighters in the ring its gonna be hard not to consider him p4p number 1. obviously with the lay off mayweather is no question number 1 but i think there will come a time before floyd retires that ward is the true p4p king with floyd holding onto it just for the fact no one has beat him

[Cinci Champ]

the one thing people overlook big time with ward is he did everything he did without a right arm the reason hes so good with his left is he never had a healthy right hand and now that its surgically repaired hes even better. gonna be interesting to see which weight class he goes to i just hope before he goes to 175 we can get ward ggg

[Mike Haynes]

Andre "Squeezes On Guys" Ward ain't worth a damn without grappling and headbutts. A couple of times Paul Smith got aggressive, you could see Ward reflexely go into grab mode...he would hug Degale all night trying to avoid the left hand. And how can you be considered the best when you refuse to fight Dirrel (not that he'd lose)...I bet that's why he didn't sign with Haymon.