Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Team Pacquiao Confused on Shoulder Excuse

[SplitSecond]

SO he did lie.

He didn't spar with one arm the whole camp, lets not exaggerate that. I don't know why, other than maybe he wanted to focus on the left.

He threw more rights than lefts in the fight, right?

That isn't what Roach initially said in the post fight Presser, which Bob has now debunked. I get that you describe a plausible scenario, but with all due respect I doubt you'd buy that if this was another fighter we are talking about.

Floyd just took away Manny's best offensive weapon and casual fans that do not understand the nuances of the sport need a reason not to be pissed after paying $100- $100,000 to watch the fight live.

There is just too much evidence that makes this injury look bogus.

I never said he used only one hand the entire camp, lets stay on track.
He threw more power punches than he did jabs, so I don't know how accurate that assumption about him throwing more rights than left is, especially considering most of his combinations were one-handed with the right more like a feint or for leverage.

What evidence? You haven't said anything. You're only reason is Pacquiao wasn't crying about it and the conspiracy that Bob and Koncz had to whisper to him out of the blue to come up with a shoulder injury in the post-fight press conference. Despite a reporter in the audience asking him the question first, we act like it was just brought it up to be used as an excuse.

[The Big Dunn]

I never said he used only one hand the entire camp, lets stay on track.
He threw more power punches than he did jabs, so I don't know how accurate that assumption about him throwing more rights than left is, especially considering most of his combinations were one-handed with the right more like a feint or for leverage.

What evidence? You haven't said anything. You're only reason is Pacquiao wasn't crying about it and the conspiracy that Bob and Koncz had to whisper to him out of the blue to come up with a shoulder injury in the post-fight press conference. Despite a reporter in the audience asking him the question first, we act like it was just brought it up to be used as an excuse.

Far more evidence than that as has been discussed a million times.

The reasons he didn't throw as much were BOXING related, not HEALTH related. I do not expect any casual to understand this. I do expect most with an account on this site to understand it.

It all comes down to what each individual feels is Manny's credibility.

I don't see how he has any credibility given the numerous lies/inconsistencies in the stories from his Team about when the "injury" occurred and the lying or "mistakes" on the forms.

That we even are discussing lies/inconsistencies/mistakes given Manny has supposedly turned his life over to Christ, makes his credibility even weaker.

[SplitSecond]

Far more evidence than that as has been discussed a million times.

Shoot.



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[Scipio2009]

Actually two of pacquiaos most dominant performances came after the steroid allegations- the clottey and margarito beat downs. It wasn't until the mosely fight that pacquiao started to look human but he still had mosely on his ass and running for dear life the entire fight. But even still he has dominated everyone that's been put in front of him with the exception of a one hit wonder Marquez

Stops Diaz in his first fight at 135, Oscar quits on the stool, knocks out Ricky Hatton in 2, bludgeons Cotto to a 12th round stoppage .... and you now want to sell getting extended to twelve rounds by Joshua Clottey (never really laying any damage on Clottey) and Antonio Margarito (after he was throttled by Shane Mosley in 9) as "dominant performances"? lol

[The Big Dunn]

Shoot.



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come on dude, points have been made hundreds of times. no need to repost them.

everything after that is what was important. if you want to address that, cool. If not, cool.

Bottom line, Manny lost any credibility or benefit of the doubt by lying. If you still believe him and want to focus only on the things that make the injury seem legit, cool. I get that you are a huge Manny fan.

He stopped throwing for the same reason Canelo, Ghost, and any other fighter that stopped throwing-they couldn't prevent Floyd from countering any way other than by not throwing.

[radioraheem]

I never said he used only one hand the entire camp, lets stay on track.
He threw more power punches than he did jabs, so I don't know how accurate that assumption about him throwing more rights than left is, especially considering most of his combinations were one-handed with the right more like a feint or for leverage.

What evidence? You haven't said anything. You're only reason is Pacquiao wasn't crying about it and the conspiracy that Bob and Koncz had to whisper to him out of the blue to come up with a shoulder injury in the post-fight press conference. Despite a reporter in the audience asking him the question first, we act like it was just brought it up to be used as an excuse.

It's a series of things. NSAC never knew til the last minute, Top Rank said they told USADA about the injury, and USADA denied this immediately. Pacquiao and Koncz didn't indicate it on the form. His physicians said he was fine and healthy before the fight and the meds weren't really needed. NSAC had no documentation about the injury, neither did USADA. HBO also said they never knew or seen any indication of an injury and they were present numerous times during training camp. But allegedly, he had the injury for more than a month. That's half of training camp. During the broadcast, in the corner moments, there were no signs or indications of an injury existing. And the list of inconsistencies just goes on and on and on.

[SplitSecond]

It's a series of things. NSAC never knew til the last minute, Top Rank said they told USADA about the injury, and USADA denied this immediately. Pacquiao and Koncz didn't indicate it on the form. His physicians said he was fine and healthy before the fight and the meds weren't really needed. NSAC had no documentation about the injury, neither did USADA. HBO also said they never knew or seen any indication of an injury and they were present numerous times during training camp. But allegedly, he had the injury for more than a month. That's half of training camp. During the broadcast, in the corner moments, there were no signs or indications of an injury existing. And the list of inconsistencies just goes on and on and on.

It's obvious they were trying very hard to keep it under wraps. But, USADA was told of the injury, Tygart said on april 7th they were called up being asked about an assortment of medication and 10 days later again about other substances, for what USADA said was "an unspecified shoulder injury". USADA was also asked to inform NSAC.

[The Big Dunn]

It's obvious they were trying very hard to keep it under wraps. But, USADA was told of the injury, Tygart said on april 7th they were called up being asked about an assortment of medication and 10 days later again about other substances, for what USADA said was "an unspecified shoulder injury". USADA was also asked to inform NSAC.

Doesn't that seem odd to you? They asked for medication then 10 days later say it is for an unspecified shoulder injury. Why not just tell them the injury?

It seems obvious they didn't specify the injury because they would have had to prove it and they didn't have any proof. Its like using "back pain" or "paranoia" to get a prescription for marijuana.

You would see right through this if this was anyone else.

[SplitSecond]

Doesn't that seem odd to you? They asked for medication then 10 days later say it is for an unspecified shoulder injury. Why not just tell them the injury?

It seems obvious they didn't specify the injury because they would have had to prove it and they didn't have any proof.

I should have said, it actually read more like "again for what was an unspecified shoulder injury"(paraphrasing)

USADA apparently twice talked with Pacquiao's doctor before confirming the treatments were allowed. I'm guessing it happened over the phone if they didn't collect any papers.

Or could simply be because he didn't want the fight to be stopped, considering the money, how close the fight was and fighters tendencies to fight with injuries.

[radioraheem]

It's obvious they were trying very hard to keep it under wraps. But, USADA was told of the injury, Tygart said on april 7th they were called up being asked about an assortment of medication and 10 days later again about other substances, for what USADA said was "an unspecified shoulder injury". USADA was also asked to inform NSAC.

USADA has already went on record denying they knew about an injury. They never said anything abotu 'unspecified shoulder injury.' Read the following quotes below from BS articles. And then tell me again how USADA knew about the injury.

Arum had claimed that he was under the impression that USADA, the company conducting the random drug testing protocol on both fighters, had informed the NSAC. USADA denied knowledge of the injury.

"We had no medical information, no MRIs, no documents," said Travis Tygart, who heads USADA.

Tygart said his agency, which was hired by promoters to oversee drug testing for the bout, was contacted April 7 asking about the use of various substances and whether they were allowed under anti-doping rules. He said there was another call 10 days later asking about using a different substance, but that USADA was not told exactly what the treatments were for.