Comments Thread For: Team Golovkin: We Get Cotto-Canelo Winner or No Deal

[lefthook2daliva]

Sounds fair on the face of it, but on the other hand, the winner may want a soft touch/cash-in fight in between and can you blame them?

Canelo vs Cotto is likely to be alot of damage taken by both guys and both will train their asses off, I would imagine.

Or Golovkin has to fight Ward and then the winner of Cotto vs Canelo?

[Pigeons]

I hope Cotto and Canelo continue to duck Golovkin. Golovkin is a coward. He doesn't deserve a big money fight vs. a blown-up JMW because he hasn't fought a soul. Just another protected HBO hypejob.

[Barcham]

why is a Floyd/cotto rematch so impossible for September IYO?

Haymon will not put one of Roc Nation's fighters in the ring with Floyd for Floyd's final fight. Not going to happen. I do not give a shit that Jay Z and Beyoncé went to the Floyd fight. So did many other people. That had nothing to do with Haymon. That fight was the biggest boxing event in history and everyone wanted to be seen there. I do not care that Haymon worked with Arum to get that fight done, Arum is not Jay Z and that fight was the biggest in history and will never be repeated. A Cotto fight would be a drop in the ocean compared to the Floyd-Pac fight.

Second... Cotto has not fought with a three month layoff between fights since 2008. Since the end of 2009 he has not fought two fights with less than 5 months between them. He is not about to fight in September after a three month break. Not going to happen.

Third... I cannot see Mayweather using his final fight for a rematch. He will want to go out with a show against someone fresh and new who he has never fought in the past. He wants to leave a good impression with the fans. It bothered him the way he got no respect from the fans after the Manny fight and I think he wants to flip that around if he can. A rematch will not do that. I have no idea who he will fight, but I do not see a rerun of a past fight as being the way to go out on top. He wants to surprise everyone and I see him taking on someone with an unbeaten record in his final fight. There are plenty to choose from around his weight class.

[Barcham]

Sounds fair on the face of it, but on the other hand, the winner may want a soft touch/cash-in fight in between and can you blame them?

Canelo vs Cotto is likely to be alot of damage taken by both guys and both will train their asses off, I would imagine.

Or Golovkin has to fight Ward and then the winner of Cotto vs Canelo?

Ward wants two or three tune ups before even considering GGG and that is if he can even make weight at 168 again. People have to get over this masturbatory fantasy they have of Ward fighting GGG. The guy is not even in the same division. Give it a break already and let Ward at least have his first fight in two years on June 20th.

Cotto will vacate before having to fight Golovkin.

[The Big Dunn]

Haymon will not put one of Roc Nation's fighters in the ring with Floyd for Floyd's final fight. Not going to happen. I do not give a shit that Jay Z and Beyoncé went to the Floyd fight. So did many other people. That had nothing to do with Haymon. That fight was the biggest boxing event in history and everyone wanted to be seen there. I do not care that Haymon worked with Arum to get that fight done, Arum is not Jay Z and that fight was the biggest in history and will never be repeated. A Cotto fight would be a drop in the ocean compared to the Floyd-Pac fight.

Second... Cotto has not fought with a three month layoff between fights since 2008. Since the end of 2009 he has not fought two fights with less than 5 months between them. He is not about to fight in September after a three month break. Not going to happen.

Third... I cannot see Mayweather using his final fight for a rematch. He will want to go out with a show against someone fresh and new who he has never fought in the past. He wants to leave a good impression with the fans. It bothered him the way he got no respect from the fans after the Manny fight and I think he wants to flip that around if he can. A rematch will not do that. I have no idea who he will fight, but I do not see a rerun of a past fight as being the way to go out on top. He wants to surprise everyone and I see him taking on someone with an unbeaten record in his final fight. There are plenty to choose from around his weight class.

1. Ok, the 1st paragraph is more opinion, Can you give me something concrete to support that opinion?

Floyd rematch is Cotto's most lucrative option, so why would Roc Nation stop that?

2. OK, this is a valid point. Maybe a big purse might change his mind. Remember, Floyd pocketed enough that he can offer Cotto more than anyone. That may entice him to return in September.

3. You have no idea what Floyd wants to do, that is a huge speculation on your part. Dude, as long as he wins he is going out on top. Besides, what is a better way to "end" your career by winning the lineal MW title?

[Barcham]

1. Ok, the 1st paragraph is more opinion, Can you give me something concrete to support that opinion?

Floyd rematch is Cotto's most lucrative option, so why would Roc Nation stop that?

2. OK, this is a valid point. Maybe a big purse might change his mind. Remember, Floyd pocketed enough that he can offer Cotto more than anyone. That may entice him to return in September.

3. You have no idea what Floyd wants to do, that is a huge speculation on your part. Dude, as long as he wins he is going out on top. Besides, what is a better way to "end" your career by winning the lineal MW title?

1. Roc Nation will not prevent the fight, Haymon will. There is precedence as Haymon has previously blocked Roc Nation from fights involving their fighters, the most visible of which was forcing Quillin to vacate his title and give up the biggest payday of his career, a payday he will likely never see again. Roc Nation also attempted to steal a number of Haymon fighters by offering them large contracts. There is no love between Haymon and RN and that is even if you ignore the past history from the music business. Haymon will not permit anything that will help RN make their name in boxing.

2. I do not believe Cotto is able to fight with only a three month break. There would be little reason for him to take a fight that he will not have adequate time to prepare for.

3. the WBC Middleweight title will not be on the line because Floyd will never make weight to fight for it and Golovkin will never step aside as he would be very aware that his chances of fighting the winner would be zero. He would force the title to be vacated just as he will likely do before the Canelo fight can occur. Now yes, you may say that the mythical 'lineal title' will still be at play, but that means nothing to casual fans and as there is no physical lineal title belt, there is nothing to show off in the ring. If anything, the fight would be for Floyd's titles at 154, if he still has not vacated them at that point.

[Hougigo]

I hope Cotto and Canelo continue to duck Golovkin. Golovkin is a coward. He doesn't deserve a big money fight vs. a blown-up JMW because he hasn't fought a soul. Just another protected HBO hypejob.

Excellent 2 sentence combination.

[The Big Dunn]

1. Roc Nation will not prevent the fight, Haymon will. There is precedence as Haymon has previously blocked Roc Nation from fights involving their fighters, the most visible of which was forcing Quillin to vacate his title and give up the biggest payday of his career, a payday he will likely never see again. Roc Nation also attempted to steal a number of Haymon fighters by offering them large contracts. There is no love between Haymon and RN and that is even if you ignore the past history from the music business. Haymon will not permit anything that will help RN make their name in boxing.

2. I do not believe Cotto is able to fight with only a three month break. There would be little reason for him to take a fight that he will not have adequate time to prepare for.

3. the WBC Middleweight title will not be on the line because Floyd will never make weight to fight for it and Golovkin will never step aside as he would be very aware that his chances of fighting the winner would be zero. He would force the title to be vacated just as he will likely do before the Canelo fight can occur. Now yes, you may say that the mythical 'lineal title' will still be at play, but that means nothing to casual fans and as there is no physical lineal title belt, there is nothing to show off in the ring. If anything, the fight would be for Floyd's titles at 154, if he still has not vacated them at that point.

1. That was a completely different scenario not involving Floyd or this amount of money. You make some valid points about competition among businesses, you can't possibly think Haymon would make the same decision for a Floyd PPV fight that might generate $50-60 mil that he would for a $1.4 mil Quillin/Korborov fight.

2. Here is the reason-Floyd makes an offer that is out of this world. Other than that, I agree with you.

3. Barcham You think the WBC is going to prevent a Floyd/cotto fight on these grounds knowing their history and how they operate? Dude, please. They want the bigger sanctioning fee.

Floyd, Canelo and Cotto are 3 of the top 5 revenue generators in the sport right now. GGG can whine and moan all he wants, the fact is he doesn't matter as much as his fans want him to in this scenario.

This is the same organization that has allowed Floyd to hold its LMW belt for about 2 years without defending it.

Respect your opinion but knowing how the WBC operates, can't see them forcing GGG into the belt. They do have new leadership than the past so maybe it does happen, I just can't see it.

[Mike_R]

GGG and co. definitely have the right to assert themselves here. They stated that it's about the title for them and their plight of unifying the 160 division is respectable.

I don't think it's much skin off Cotto's back to vacate the belts. I think it makes him look bad, but he can continue to make big fights down at 154 even post-Canelo.

Golovkin and his team just want the belt (it seems). A big fight against Cotto or Canelo would obviously be preferable for us as fans though.

But obviously out of this trifecta GGG has the least leverage, so they're using the 1 piece of leverage that they do have which is the fact that he is the mandatory.

[Dinamita 03]

Excellent 2 sentence combination.